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perhaps you should make a smash bros dissidia creation thread? you know a game where every hero has the arch enemyI just want to see as many villains as we can. There’s just something cool about making matchups of heroes vs villains that we lose out on with a cast of mostly heroes. It’s nice to have a rival for a character where there is one available that would be fun. Smash is also one of the only possibilities of finally being able to control some of these characters. While Fire Emblem has plenty of lords to choose from for characters, I personally find it a bit boring to default to the newest lord as the default Smash rep. The lords are rarely if ever the most interesting character in the game in my opinion, similar to starters with Pokémon.
That’s not a bad idea but I don’t think I’m active enough to upkeep a big thread like that. There’s also tons of villains I’d love to see that their main protagonist either isn’t in Smash or isn’t as recognizable as the villain. Conversely, there are some characters in Smash that either don’t have a recognizable villain or even a villain at all so a full Dissidia style game where every hero had a villain rival would be tricky. I think I’d add some villains that are recognizable on their own without needing a hero and vice versa. Still, I’d try to make pairs wherever it made sense since that is a big part of why villains are so fun in Smash.perhaps you should make a smash bros dissidia creation thread? you know a game where every hero has the arch enemy
You don’t need every smash characterThat’s not a bad idea but I don’t think I’m active enough to upkeep a big thread like that. There’s also tons of villains I’d love to see that their main protagonist either isn’t in Smash or isn’t as recognizable as the villain. Conversely, there are some characters in Smash that either don’t have a recognizable villain or even a villain at all so a full Dissidia style game would be tricky.
It could be fun make hero and villain pairs in Smash from completely different franchises. For example, if the game has a story mode focusing around a hero army vs a villain army, Diablo could play the villain of either Dante or Doom Slayer while Sarah Kerrigan could play the villain for Bill Rizer or as another rival for Samus. Fulgore could serve as the antagonist for Xenoblade. Other villains like Nightmare, Arthas, or Lu Bu could oppose the Fire Emblem cast without needing a FE villain specifically. One obvious pairing is that Magus could play as the villain for Dragon Quest. It doesn’t have to be those specifically, I’m just throwing out some ideas for fitting pairs. Possibilities like that are part of what makes huge crossover games like Smash so exciting to me since we’d never see most of these pairings otherwise.You don’t need every smash character
Though it would be funny if the villagers nemesis was a scorpion
My two biggest reasons for wanting more villains are that I just tend to like them more and that the roster just gets a bit boring and predictable with only main protagonists. I do agree that some franchises don’t really have a standout villain that would make sense as a Smash rep over other options but others I feel the villain is even more iconic than the hero. For example, Xenoblade is one of my favorite franchises ever but neither Dickson or Malos are anywhere near the top of my most wanted list. Although I would be really hyped for equally small antagonists like Jena Anderson so I’m not sure invalidates whatever point I was trying to make there lol.Yea i'm going to concur i don't get the point of getting villains specifically for the sake of doing so - you get characters that are recognizable in their own right, not because of some weird quota. There's really little point in say, pointing out that FE villains are "needed" when the main protagonists are going to be vastly more popular and recognizable.
Stuff like bowser/sephiroth are chosen because they're well known, not because nintendo wants to backfill out some number.
I didn’t mean to imply that all protagonists are boring and predictable, just that limiting the roster almost exclusively to main protagonists can get that way for me personally. It also makes speculation a bit less interesting for me. For example, rather than wondering who the next FE rep would be and talking about our favorites, it just defaults to whoever the newest lord is. Same goes for Pokémon reps and starters. This isn’t really exclusively needing more villain representation for me but that I’d like to see a bit more representation of characters other than just the main protagonist, whether they be villains or popular side characters.Tbh it seems rather limiting that you define protagonists as "boring and predictable" when there's plenty of games out there whose leads would be highly requested or desired.
There are plenty of dream crossovers possible just by including new entries and franchises, we're a long way from the need for a specific "hero vs villain" setup for it to be interesting.
You could argue that Kazuya already fills that role. True he started out as a hero himself but he’s been portrayed as a villain more often. Heihachi was allegedly even the original choice before Kazuya was ultimately chosen. Fighting games seem to have a villain as the most iconic character more often than other genres. Fulgore and Nightmare are two other examples. Scorpion and Sub-Zero have each played the villain at one point though they are both protagonists these days. Beyond fighting games, Blizzard’s games, League of Legends, and Dynasty Warriors can also claim that the antagonist is arguably the most iconic character.To me anyway, it would be kind of weird if a video game with a hero and a villain that if the game wasn't worth it but the villain would be interesting and put him in future games to face other protagonists.
I don't want it to fit the original. I love SMRPG, but that game was hideous.I think that style fits what the original was going for and could be really visually impressive with today’s technology.
I remember as a kid thinking that it looked way better than Super Mario 64 and I questioned why I’d ever want an N64 if the graphics looked worse. Of course, that was before I played either game or fully understood the concept of pre rendered graphics. I still personally like the look of the pre-rendered SNES games but I can understand why others might not feel the same way. I was definitely disappointed with the graphics of the first Paper Mario and wished they’d have just kept the look of SMRPG. I guess everyone has their own opinion on what looks good to them. At least we’re in agreement that Guilty Gear and DBZFZ look amazing.I don't want it to fit the original. I love SMRPG, but that game was hideous.
I can understand that. Personally, the DKC games are some of my favorite visually on the console along with Killer Instinct. The same goes for PS1. I preferred the pre-rendered backgrounds of Resident Evil and Final Fantasy to the look of the games that went full 3D with low poly models. I do definitely appreciate good sprite work as well, possibly even more so today than I did back then since we don’t see it as often these days. Chrono Trigger still looks great to this day in my opinion.I never liked the "scanned 3d model" look of SMRPG or DKC. To me, those games just looked way worse than, say, Final Fantasy 6, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario World, or Yoshi's Island.
Am pretty sure Goku would make a last minute appearance much like Sonic did in SSE. Saving all from Tabuu. Sure he'd be a last minute addition too, or a DLC character added last like Sora.Call me crazy, but i blast my ass of laughter if Goku was the main villain of a future Smash's story mode.
While this is out-of-character, make him a Hero Antagonist or whatever.
That is not comparable to the graphics of DKC, and you know it.I never liked the "scanned 3d model" look of SMRPG or DKC. To me, those games just looked way worse than, say, Final Fantasy 6, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario World, or Yoshi's Island.
Look at this fugly thing!
I would like to second that sentimentFirstly, a quick apology to Speed Weed because I have a feeling they won't like what I'm about to share:
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I DON'T CARE IF I'M JUST HAVING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF HOPE, THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY ON SONIC TEAM WANTS TO BRING BACK BILLY HATCHER GIVES ME LIFE!!!!!! I LOVED BILLY HATCHER AS A KID AND WOULD DIE FOR A SEQUAL! LET IT HAPPEN, SEGA! LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Plus, it would make my desire for Billy in Smash slightly more justified).
Call me crazy, but i blast my ass of laughter if Goku was the main villain of a future Smash's story mode.
While this is out-of-character, make him a Hero Antagonist or whatever.
I think he and some of the other Dragon Ball characters were the final bosses or at least, the bosses before the Credits, in Jump Super Stars. And that's probably the best you could do with him is make him the "Final Tourney Round Boss" before the Credits rather than make him a direct Antagonist.Am pretty sure Goku would make a last minute appearance much like Sonic did in SSE. Saving all from Tabuu. Sure he'd be a last minute addition too, or a DLC character added last like Sora.
You know what time it isFirstly, a quick apology to Speed Weed because I have a feeling they won't like what I'm about to share:
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I DON'T CARE IF I'M JUST HAVING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF HOPE, THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY ON SONIC TEAM WANTS TO BRING BACK BILLY HATCHER GIVES ME LIFE!!!!!! I LOVED BILLY HATCHER AS A KID AND WOULD DIE FOR A SEQUAL! LET IT HAPPEN, SEGA! LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Plus, it would make my desire for Billy in Smash slightly more justified).
Is this some kind of curse related to Sonic's absence in Project X Zone.Every time a non-Sonic SEGA franchise is mentioned, Yuji Naka gets arrested for insider trading again!
Actually, if you don't mind me asking, how ARE things looking for Sakura Wars ATM? I remember you were a pretty big advocate for the series in Smash.You know what time it is
Every time a non-Sonic SEGA franchise is mentioned, Yuji Naka gets arrested for insider trading again!
...as a Sakura Wars fan don't give up your hope, but also don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen
Well, we did get a new game a couple years ago, 2019 for JP and 2020 for us, and a number of characters are DLC in Super Robot Wars 30, but other than that it's been pretty dead in the water again. I keep hoping for a collection of the older games, translated into English officially for the first time, but I lose a little hope every day. The original game got a fan translation, but the emulator and mod for it are really difficult to set up. A fan translation of 3 also started production.Actually, if you don't mind me asking, how ARE things looking for Sakura Wars ATM? I remember you were a pretty big advocate for the series in Smash.
I heard on Twitter that the franchise may not be entirely dead. IIRC, there was a diagram showing SEGA's "present" and "past" franchises and Sakura Wars was in neither category. I know that's pretty vague, but that says to me that if the franchise was truly "dead", it would be put in the "past" section.Well, we did get a new game a couple years ago, 2019 for JP and 2020 for us, and a number of characters are DLC in Super Robot Wars 30, but other than that it's been pretty dead in the water again. I keep hoping for a collection of the older games, translated into English officially for the first time, but I lose a little hope every day. The original game got a fan translation, but the emulator and mod for it are really difficult to set up. A fan translation of 3 also started production.
I think I know which one you're talking about (heck, I think I shared it here), though I should probably mention that the "past" section was apparently referring to franchises Sega wanted to try and bring back, or something to that affect.I heard on Twitter that the franchise may not be entirely dead. IIRC, there was a diagram showing SEGA's "present" and "past" franchises and Sakura Wars was in neither category. I know that's pretty vague, but that says to me that if the franchise was truly "dead", it would be put in the "past" section.
Right, now that you mention it I do recall that. I can only hope it's not dead.I heard on Twitter that the franchise may not be entirely dead. IIRC, there was a diagram showing SEGA's "present" and "past" franchises and Sakura Wars was in neither category. I know that's pretty vague, but that says to me that if the franchise was truly "dead", it would be put in the "past" section.
Well, Robin technically counts since his future self is the villain.I don't find it strange or problematic that FE has no villain rep. The series has like 20 characters who could feasibly be called a "main protagonist," and they're more diverse than many people give them credit for.
Except even his future self isn't evil. It's literally Grima possessing him. In Future Past when you fight against future Grima, if you don't have the items required to defeat him, future Robin will take control from Grima for a bit to prevent Lucina from dying. And if you do have the items required, Future Robin will thank Lucina and the other children for defeating them and Grima.Well, Robin technically counts since his future self is the villain.
As Ivander explains, calling him/her a villain is at most a technicality or in a non-traditional sense. But also: my post was partially in response to comments by other users who thought it was odd and/or undesirable that FE had no villain reps (so presumably they weren't considering Robin as a villain).Well, Robin technically counts since his future self is the villain.
You DARE insult the great and mighty Kiddy Kong!?!
The iDOLM@STER Concert Hallas it's the final day of the year i thought of something fun for us to do. (disclaimer: fogbadge cannot actually guarantee fun) i thought why don't we suggest the most random games we can think that could serve as stage ideas. you know games that might not be natural choice for a stage idea or something really obscure. like robotnik's mean bean machine
i'll start us off: Pokemon Smile, honestly i'd be amazing to see the smash gang fighting on a giant set of teeth