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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Imagine the very first teaser trailer for the next Smash was a double reveal featuring James Bond and Doraemon. Both where part of the Melee poll so that would be a cute nod.
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I hope the Tales of Symphonia Switch port sells well enough that Lloyd returns back to the spotlight in Nintendo Fan circles which would hopefully drive enough attention to finally add him in the next smash

i said this before but i have to say it again Zack Fair still a likely echo for next smash game if Cloud returns
Counter argument, do we really need 3 FF7 characters?


Well we were shown a playable character who clearly wasn’t olimar
I'm pretty sure that was just Brittney.
 
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I hope the Tales of Symphonia Switch port sells well enough that Lloyd returns back to the spotlight in Nintendo Fan circles which would hopefully drive enough attention to finally add him in the next smash


Counter argument, do we really need 3 FF7 characters?
if its an echo then its logical to have an extra just like Ken and Richter
 
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Well we were shown a playable character who clearly wasn’t olimar
Haha, I missed that in my first viewing of the Direct. I was doing other things (like, for example, crossing the street) while watching so for some parts I only got audio.

In any case, we'll still have to get more info about these characters before speculating too heavily on them. It's very possible that some sort of Echo deal could even be involved here, but again we'll have to wait and see.
 

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Unfortunately, there was nothing in the Direct that interest me. Not even Goldeneye even though I loved playing that game on the N64.

But imagine if it was the first Smash Bros in that lineup. I'd probably consider getting those N64 games (I have the NES and SNES games but not the others).
 
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in terms of Smash 6 here are my speculative picks:


Confident
new Mario character (at least 1 added every Smash game)
new Pokemon character (at least 1 added every Smash game)
new FE character [Alear?] or from a newer mainline game (at least 1 added since Melee)

Possible
Noah/Mio (XC3)

Outside success may influence Smash character representation
Animal Crossing (Mr. Resetti?)
Splatoon (Octoling as echo if they're still a thing; another character)
Ring Fit

3rd Party
one of the following: Dante, Lloyd Irving, Dragonborn, Shantae
a fighting game character (1 added since Smash 4 DLC)
Very reasonable picks all around, but in terms of mainline Mario it did not receive a newcomer in Brawl. If you count Wario I guess he counts but he is clearly representing his own spin offs at that point.

But yeah, all of those are super safe reasonable picks. Probably the only other pick I would say keep a strong eye on that you did not mention is Officer Howard from Astral Chain.The IP was a success and Nintendo even bought the full rights from platinum games. If the next smash pulls predominantly from the switch era I wouldn’t be shocked if we get them.
 
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I'm gonna say it.

Splatoon has entered the "level of success" where only one unique character feels odd.

It's where Xenoblade and Animal Crossing were pre-Ultimate.

It should probably have more than an echo.
 
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- A few smaller series in Pilotwings, 1080, and Excite get a little bump in public visibility.
I feel like this is especially notable for the likes of Pilotwings 64, which (until now, AFAIK) has never gotten a re-release via the Wii and/or Wii U Virtual Consoles, for whatever reason.

Heck, none of the characters of PW64 have even appeared in Smash Bros. as a trophy, sticker, or spirit. I can't help but wonder if legal issues prevented the game (or at the very least, its characters) from appearing in anything else as a meaningful cameo or something...
 

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I'm glad Smash 64 didn't show up because the moment it does Nintendo is going to go on the attack against the Remix team like they did Project M if they're not already preparing to do that. Definitely not looking forward to a sub-par product getting to legally enforce its relative mediocrity on all of us gamers. The other N64 games coming to NSO (though I don't subscribe to the EP tier and never will) are cool I guess for the people that do and I think it's a good lineup. I do think Goldeneye is sooooooo overrated though. It's literally just nostalgia. Game doesn't hold up, you'll inevitably get bored and play 1 of the 100's of better shooters out there.

The Direct just sucked. Everytime Miyamoto shows up I know he's just gonna waste time like no other. What does he even do anymore? Is he actually directing and/or producing Pikmin 4? He is such a thoughtless dinosaur at this point and only holds Nintendo back.

Super Rush died so that Nintendo could waste time with a pointlessly redundant golf game for Switch Sports. Hooray...

Only get to see 2 courses from Wave 3 of MK8DX DLC? Okay...

They have to let us know AGAIN about certain titles like Front Mission trilogy, Sparks of Hope and Bayonetta 3.

All Switch cloud games are legitimate trash.

So many titles were Indie direct filler like that museum game and the small army of Farm Sims. Some of which again we ALREADY knew about.

Also am I just wrong that the first wave of Xenoblade DLC is basically nothing but consumes and items? Because wow that's a total rip-off and completely typical Nintendo sleaze.

Small things like Kirby remake, Tears of the Kingdom title reveal, and the Strikers Update is cool and all but it just doesn't come close to carrying an entire direct. After not getting a direct for the summer you'd think Nintendo might have content ready for the holiday season but nope. They've got nothing. If this doesn't make the case that Nintendo needs to seriously upgrade their productive capacity whether through investing internally, strategic acquisitions, or even just good ol' fashion better leadership then I don't know what will because this was truly awful.

The stream I was watching had a noticeable amount of people expressing their discontent with the offerings here and of course the Nintendofans or stans or whatever trotted out the "ungrateful" meme that they crutch their annoyingly servile brand loyalty upon. What is it with Nintendofans and thinking we should be "grateful" to ****ing Nintendo, a private corporation seeking profits? This is a ****ing transaction not a ****ing gift. I'm not grateful for a single ****ing Nintendo game I own. I guess I like that some of them exist because they're fun but I'm not ****ing grateful for it. Get over your nostalgia Nintendofans. The older you get the more pathetic is comes across.
 
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I'm glad Smash 64 didn't show up because the moment it does Nintendo is going to go on the attack against the Remix team like they did Project M if they're not already preparing to do that. Definitely not looking forward to a sub-par product getting to legally enforce its relative mediocrity on all of us gamers. The other N64 games coming to NSO (though I don't subscribe to the EP tier and never will) are cool I guess for the people that do and I think it's a good lineup. I do think Goldeneye is sooooooo overrated though. It's literally just nostalgia. Game doesn't hold up, you'll inevitably get bored and play 1 of the 100's of better shooters out there.

The Direct just sucked. Everytime Miyamoto shows up I know he's just gonna waste time like no other. What does he even do anymore? Is he actually directing and/or producing Pikmin 4? He is such a thoughtless dinosaur at this point and only holds Nintendo back.

Super Rush died so that Nintendo could waste time with a pointlessly redundant golf game for Switch Sports. Hooray...

Only get to see 2 courses from Wave 3 of MK8DX DLC? Okay...

They have to let us know AGAIN about certain titles like Front Mission trilogy, Sparks of Hope and Bayonetta 3.

All Switch cloud games are legitimate trash.

So many titles were Indie direct filler like that museum game and the small army of Farm Sims. Some of which again we ALREADY knew about.

Also am I just wrong that the first wave of Xenoblade DLC is basically nothing but consumes and items? Because wow that's a total rip-off and completely typical Nintendo sleaze.

Small things like Kirby remake, Tears of the Kingdom title reveal, and the Strikers Update is cool and all but it just doesn't come close to carrying an entire direct. After not getting a direct for the summer you'd think Nintendo might have content ready for the holiday season but nope. They've got nothing. If this doesn't make the case that Nintendo needs to seriously upgrade their productive capacity whether through investing internally, strategic acquisitions, or even just good ol' fashion better leadership then I don't know what will because this was truly awful.

The stream I was watching had a noticeable amount of people expressing their discontent with the offerings here and of course the Nintendofans or stans or whatever trotted out the "ungrateful" meme that they crutch their annoyingly servile brand loyalty upon. What is it with Nintendofans and thinking we should be "grateful" to ****ing Nintendo, a private corporation seeking profits? This is a ****ing transaction not a ****ing gift. I'm not grateful for a single ****ing Nintendo game I own. I guess I like that some of them exist because they're fun but I'm not ****ing grateful for it. Get over your nostalgia Nintendofans. The older you get the more pathetic is comes across.
Dude.

You are getting this emotional over what is essentially a giant series of advertisements. Look the direct wasn't for me either. The farming games were memeable. But you know what you should do? Just move on. Find enjoyment in what you do like and move on.

Rants like this don't accomplish anything other than make you look bitter. You're not magically solving the problem. You're not exposing Nintendo fans. You're not even criticizing in a useful or intelligent way. Let me repeat that, this isn't useful criticism because useful criticism isn't rage and insult filled. (And the idea that acquisitions will magically solve things is laughable.)

You're just ranting. And if it's to vent, I guess I can get it but like... come on dude. Lighten up.
 
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Dude.

You are getting this emotional over what is essentially a giant series of advertisements. Look the direct wasn't for me either. The farming games were memeable. But you know what you should do? Just move on. Find enjoyment in what you do like and move on.

Rants like this don't accomplish anything other than make you look bitter. You're not magically solving the problem. You're not exposing Nintendo fans. You're not even criticizing in a useful or intelligent way. Let me repeat that, this isn't useful criticism because useful criticism isn't rage and insult filled. (And the idea that acquisitions will magically solve things is laughable.)

You're just ranting. And if it's to vent, I guess I can get it but like... come on dude. Lighten up.
I'm fine. Just my opinion. A negative opinion doesn't inherently equate to being emotional other than just being negative itself does. A positive opinion is also an emotional one and I also don't buy into the idea that emotions are disqualifications from expressing my thoughts nor do I think they've been improperly utilized when they're apart of a critique.

I'm a gamer and this is a giant gaming advertisement. I'm absolutely talking **** but that doesn't mean I think I'm magically doing anything you think that I think I am. The only thing that irritated me is the ungrateful meme and I'm perfectly well reasoned in expressing my dissatisfaction with it. In my personal experience Nintendofans trot it out every time they feel their brand loyalty is being called into question or something. I'm sorry my post offended you but that wasn't my intent. I usually put a disclaimer about my negative opinions at the top so that people will just stop reading before something like this happens because in my experience, again, Nintendofans are very sensitive to criticism.

These are all ridiculous strawman you've contrived because you didn't like my opinion and/or how I expressed it. Nothing more.
 
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I'm gonna say it.

Splatoon has entered the "level of success" where only one unique character feels odd.

It's where Xenoblade and Animal Crossing were pre-Ultimate.

It should probably have more than an echo.
I think people have been high key sleeping on the Octoling's potential. The Inkling already only used what 3 weapon types from the only first game completely ignoring the gatling and sniper. Now combine that with the new weapon types of Splatton 2 (Maybe Splatoon 3). And yeah there's a lot they can do beyond a echo fighter.
 

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I'm fine. Just my opinion. A negative opinion doesn't inherently equate to being emotional other than just being negative itself does. A positive opinion is also an emotional one and I also don't buy into the idea that emotions are disqualifications from expressing my thoughts nor do I think they've been improperly utilized when they're apart of a critique.

I'm a gamer and this is a giant gaming advertisement. I'm absolutely talking **** but that doesn't mean I think I'm magically doing anything you think that I think I am. The only that irritated me is the ungrateful meme and I'm perfectly well reasoned in expressing my dissatisfaction with it. In my personal experience Nintendofans trot it out every time they feel their brand loyalty is being called into question or something. I'm sorry my post offended you but that wasn't my intent. I usually put a disclaimer about my negative opinions so that people will just stop reading before something like this happens because in my experience, again, Nintendofans are very sensitive to criticism.

These are all ridiculous strawman you've contrived because you didn't like my opinion and/or how I expressed it. Nothing more.
Honestly. This awkward insincere walking-on-eggshells post offended me more than the original.

I was just saying calm the **** down man, lmao

EDIT:
Let's just drop it. The conversation has become unproductive.
 
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Honestly. This awkward insincere walking-on-eggshells post offended me more than the original.

I was just saying calm the **** down man, lmao
Okay then. You literally demanded it a more thoughtful less ranty response from me and now that I've delivered I'm still in the wrong somehow I guess haha. I'm saying that you're strawmanning me pretty blatantly. The yolk is on my foot.

So what my opinion is negative? There's a litany of positive opinions in this thread. Why don't you just join in the chorus of that and ignore me? It's because I offended you. Wasn't my intent. I was just expressing my opinion dude. I'm entitled to it and I didn't physically hurt anybody to do it.
 

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Okay then. You literally demanded it a more thoughtful less ranty response from me and now that I've delivered I'm still in the wrong somehow I guess haha. I'm saying that you're strawmanning me pretty blatantly. The yolk is on my foot.

So what my opinion is negative? There's a litany of positive opinions in this thread. Why don't you just join in the chorus of that and ignore me? It's because I offended you. Wasn't my intent. I was just expressing my opinion dude. I'm entitled to it and I didn't physically hurt anybody to do it.
Let's just drop it dude.

I shouldnt have said this post.

Honestly. This awkward insincere walking-on-eggshells post offended me more than the original.

I was just saying calm the **** down man, lmao

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Let's just drop it. The conversation has become unproductive.
I fully admit it was stupid and 100% my bad.

I will shut up now.
 

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I agree that Splatoon merits another original character. And I agree Octoling can be unique. Nevertheless, by nature of that character, I don't think it happens.

I think, at most, that character ends up a semi-clone.

I think if Splatoon were to add another original character, that's when you'd see Sakurai pull a Sakurai and unexpectedly add a tag-team of idols or something.

i said this before but i have to say it again Zack Fair still a likely echo for next smash game if Cloud returns
Honestly though a lot of the third-parties have echo potential because faces of big series tend to spawn similar offshoots.

Counter argument, do we really need 3 FF7 characters?
Counter counter argument, clones aren't usually added based on necessity within the series.

It's not like Kid Icarus needs three characters.
 

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I mean... What would have constituted a "good" direct?

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Plus liking the direct immediately equating me to some sub par mindless "Nintendo fan" doesn't seem fair. I can like Nintendo without being a sheep.
 
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So does Alear get included or is Fire Emblem: Engagement Ring old hat by the time the next Smash is building its roster?
 

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Let's just drop it dude.

I shouldnt have said this post.


I fully admit it was stupid and 100% my bad.

I will shut up now.
Fair enough and I appreciate the olive branch. No hard feelings or anything and I understand that negative ranty posts like that usually come across as unflattering to me but I guess I just don't care or think my opinion is worth sharing regardless or something. I don't know. Whatever.

A game that would solve all my problems.
Though considering this is probably aimed towards me I don't think your words were very sincere. Oh well.

I mean... What would have constituted a "good" direct?

Edit

Plus liking the direct immediately equating me to some sub par mindless "Nintendo fan" doesn't seem fair. I can like Nintendo without being a sheep.
Anything that was rumored. Before the direct I thought of the GameCube ports as very substantial filler but hot damn they could have saved this direct for me. Unless Prime remaster is just 1 versus a trilogy. That would have also sucked.
 

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Though considering this is probably aimed towards me I don't think your words were very sincere. Oh well
Nah man, that was just me trying to make a "or Metroid" joke. Wasn't directed towards anyone or anything in particular.

We're good.

EDIT: Okay so, I'm trying to explain the thought process of the joke but I can't think of a way to explain myself other than I thought it would be funny because Metroid is above all things. It honestly wasn't directed at anyone.
 
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I think people have been high key sleeping on the Octoling's potential. The Inkling already only used what 3 weapon types from the only first game completely ignoring the gatling and sniper. Now combine that with the new weapon types of Splatton 2 (Maybe Splatoon 3). And yeah there's a lot they can do beyond a echo fighter.
The only thing I see standing in Octoling's way is the question of making 8 colors that are not only different from each other, but from the 8 Inkling colors already in the game. Other than that, I can see the Octolings with a unique moveset in Smash 6.
 

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I think people have been high key sleeping on the Octoling's potential. The Inkling already only used what 3 weapon types from the only first game completely ignoring the gatling and sniper. Now combine that with the new weapon types of Splatton 2 (Maybe Splatoon 3). And yeah there's a lot they can do beyond a echo fighter.
Same here. I'd love for Octoling to be unique and further represent Splatoon's weapons.

So does Alear get included or is Fire Emblem: Engagement Ring old hat by the time the next Smash is building its roster?
I think only time will tell. If we get the next Smash announced within the next three years, the timing for Alear lines up. Later than that, and we'd probably be onto the next big FE game by then.


I mean... What would have constituted a "good" direct?
I think just a bit more oomph from Nintendo's side would have gone a long way. I know I would have been much less disappointed if they had shown a good chunk of Tears of the Kingdom off; it's kinda weird to me that they're still being so secretive with it. I'd also have been happy if we had gotten a trailer for the Mario movie. Feel like wanting info on stuff we've already known was coming isn't asking for much. There's also my pies-in-the-sky, which was the announcement of a new DK game, or a glimpse at Metroid Prime 4.
 
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i said this before but i have to say it again Zack Fair still a likely echo for next smash game if Cloud returns
i dunno, SE seem to have a preferred order for the ff7 cast

I'm gonna say it.

Splatoon has entered the "level of success" where only one unique character feels odd.

It's where Xenoblade and Animal Crossing were pre-Ultimate.

It should probably have more than an echo.
how about a salmonid with the ability to call on others for moves? like pp

I mean... What would have constituted a "good" direct?
well for me personally: getting the release date for the next zelda

Everytime Miyamoto shows up I know he's just gonna waste time like no other. What does he even do anymore?
he told us: the theme park and the movie. miyamoto took a back seat to game developing a looooong time agao, before we lost iwata i think

Also am I just wrong that the first wave of Xenoblade DLC is basically nothing but consumes and items?
yes because there was also a challenge mode

The stream I was watching had a noticeable amount of people expressing their discontent with the offerings here and of course the Nintendofans or stans or whatever trotted out the "ungrateful" meme that they crutch their annoyingly servile brand loyalty upon. What is it with Nintendofans and thinking we should be "grateful" to ****ing Nintendo, a private corporation seeking profits? This is a ****ing transaction not a ****ing gift. I'm not grateful for a single ****ing Nintendo game I own. I guess I like that some of them exist because they're fun but I'm not ****ing grateful for it. Get over your nostalgia Nintendofans. The older you get the more pathetic is comes across.
if i may quote kh2 "now that's just plain rude" how dare you lump all us nintendo gamers into the same boat. some of us play the old games regularly enough to not be blinded by nostalgia. sure they were out of line to call you all ungrateful but you are equally out of line to call us pathetic. and of course they're out to make profits all companies are, we live in a capitalist world. if you want to boycott a greedy company then by all means just remember that it's virtually impossible to get through modern life with out any interactions with such companies and that you have a microsoft character as an avatar

The only thing I see standing in Octoling's way is the question of making 8 colors that are not only different from each other, but from the 8 Inkling colors already in the game. Other than that, I can see the Octolings with a unique moveset in Smash 6.
that wont be a problem https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Ink
 
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Nah man, that was just me trying to make a "or Metroid" joke. Wasn't directed towards anyone or anything in particular.

We're good.

EDIT: Okay so, I'm trying to explain the thought process of the joke but I can't think of a way to explain myself other than I thought it would be funny because Metroid is above all things. It honestly wasn't directed at anyone.
Okay I appreciate the clarification and I believe you so it's resolved.
 

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No. It's going to be extremely boring. Like the subject of FE newcomers always is.
Not so much as say, Lyn is also totally relevant now and highly popular. There's a case to me made for all the popular main characters ever. That's hardly boring.

Unless you're one of those people who's hellbent on "hating" Fire Emblem because of the number of playable characters in Smash, despite never even playing the games. Cause there's that special group of course that's always so loud.
 

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Not so much as say, Lyn is also totally relevant now and highly popular. There's a case to me made for all the popular main characters ever. That's hardly boring.

Unless you're one of those people who's hellbent on "hating" Fire Emblem because of the number of playable characters in Smash, despite never even playing the games. Cause there's that special group of course that's always so loud.
I don't wanna tip my hand on FE stuff, since that part of my poll series is probably coming soon in November. That being said, I am really only confident in 2-3 FE characters, maybe 4. And by confident, I mean they are getting above a 2/10 in chance from me when I do the poll.

I think the big question is how many Fire Emblem newcomers do you expect for the next game? If we are getting 1, I would just say that it will almost certainly be a new character like Alear. But if we are getting two, then maybe a fan favorite like Lyn could slip in.
 

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People already seems to think that Alear (new FE protag) could be playable but honestly I'm not that sure. With past Fire emblem characters timing was very important. In Melee Roy's game was releasing a few months after Melee. Brawl started development in 2005, at that moment Path of radiance just released and Radiant dawn was already in early development so Ike was an obvious pick. Smash 4 started development in 2012 soon after the release of Kid icarus uprising, this is again right after Fire emblem awakening released in 2012 in Japan. And finally Smash DLC started development around 2018, right at the moment that Three houses was near completion. Unless Smash 6 start development really soon or is already in development (which I highly doubt) I don't think Alear will be that seriously considered.

I also think that the gimmick of summoning past characters will be pretty hard (if not impossible) to put in Smash. They would either need to make models for a lot of characters, or pick only one (like Joker who only use Arsene despite being able to use many Persona). But Marth seems to be Alear main summons and considering that Marth will most likely stay playable, it might be very weird to have him fight with Alear too.
 

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People already seems to think that Alear (new FE protag) could be playable but honestly I'm not that sure. With past Fire emblem characters timing was very important. In Melee Roy's game was releasing a few months after Melee. Brawl started development in 2005, at that moment Path of radiance just released and Radiant dawn was already in early development so Ike was an obvious pick. Smash 4 started development in 2012 soon after the release of Kid icarus uprising, this is again right after Fire emblem awakening released in 2012 in Japan. And finally Smash DLC started development around 2018, right at the moment that Three houses was near completion. Unless Smash 6 start development really soon or is already in development (which I highly doubt) I don't think Alear will be that seriously considered.

I also think that the gimmick of summoning past characters will be pretty hard (if not impossible) to put in Smash. They would either need to make models for a lot of characters, or pick only one (like Joker who only use Arsene despite being able to use many Persona). But Marth seems to be Alear main summons and considering that Marth will most likely stay playable, it might be very weird to have him fight with Alear too.
That is what I was thinking, especially with the part that timing is important. It is possible that he could not be chosen for the next Smash game and another Fire Emblem character that is new by then could be chosen instead.

Not to mention, the summoning thing, I do think that would be pretty hard to pull off in Smash, honestly.
 
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