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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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hmm two of today's new pokemon would make great sash fighters. third one probably would as well thinking about it. to bad we're probably in the era of games that'll miss their chance for next time. not just for pokemon
 
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fogbadge said:
hmm two of today's new pokemon would make great sash fighters. third one probably would as well thinking about it. to bad we're probably in the era of games that'll miss their chance for next time. not just for pokemon
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You mean Armarouge and Ceruledge, for the third one you mean Klawf?
 
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dream1ng said:
It's not like they leaked... not sure there's an obligation to spoiler things freely used in pre-release promotion.

We certainly didn't for Dread.
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That’s what I thought last time around but others didn’t think so, so I’m trying to be a bit more courteous

Plenty of people do avoid most pre release promotion
 
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Well not to complain but there's been a whole week of September and still no September Direct announcement.

Actually **** it, this IS a complaint.

Where is it ?
 
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osby said:
I don't think it was a crazy rule, it was just simple art design coherence. When 99% of the cast are made of characters who look like they can reasonably be part of the same universe, there's no reason to throw in scrimblos just because.

Also, Sonic fans can survive letting other SEGA characters get the spotlight in a crossover for once, they still have 5000 others.
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this is what I hate the most about PxZ discussion. like, are Sonic fans really so averse to the idea of other SEGA franchises existing and getting the spotlight that they'll either completely disregard the game's established tone or find loopholes to get it in somehow? Sonic has had like a million things going on recently, he's constantly been in the spotlight, I swear it's fine to have him not appear in just one single crossover for once and let other SEGA characters get some time to shine. it's not like we're exactly out of options that fit the tone either. ****'s sake.
 
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SonicSmasher1 said:
NateDrake? I am not in a hurry for a Direct, don't get me wrong, but what did he say this time?
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Diddy Kong said:
I haven't caught unto that honestly. What did I miss ?
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Apparently, he said this might be where we FINALLY get that new DK game announced (if not this Direct, then the next one). Take it with a grain of salt, but I suppose since a new DK game feels like an open secret at this point, it was worth mentioning.
 
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Diddy Kong said:
Well not to complain but there's been a whole week of September and still no September Direct announcement.

Actually **** it, this IS a complaint.

Where is it ?
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I still feel like there’s too many games for me to keep up with already without a Direct having to reveal anything else. I’ll gladly watch one whenever it comes but I’m not exactly in any hurry for one. The main reason I got hyped for Directs were Smash reveals and those are done. Still, I’d be hyped for a good looking new DK game. Not sure when I’d be able to find time to actually play it though. I still never got around to beating those two monkey bosses on the beach in Tropical Freeze but I was loving the game from what I played even if I sucked lol.
 
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I'm itching for a Direct because as someone who's not big on Splatoon or JPRG's its been a bit of a slow year. Kirby was nice and there's been some enjoyable indie titles here and there, but I've been hankering for some news from a franchise I'm big on and a DK reveal after 8 years of no new games would be just that. A new title from that franchise still feels like one of the biggest gaps in the Switch library and getting the spotlight in any fashion feels long overdue.
 
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Yeah people putting DK in their "predictions" is age old by this point. Same with BotW2 and even Metroid Prime 4. Seems if Nintendo doesn't show these games soon, people are gonna complain even harder for their absence. And I admit am hungry for these titles too, but am not having too big hopes for DK just yet... I'll believe it when I see it. I've been waiting since K.Rool got into Ultimate after all.
 
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Diddy Kong said:
Yeah people putting DK in their "predictions" is age old by this point. Same with BotW2 and even Metroid Prime 4. Seems if Nintendo doesn't show these games soon, people are gonna complain even harder for their absence. And I admit am hungry for these titles too, but am not having too big hopes for DK just yet... I'll believe it when I see it. I've been waiting since K.Rool got into Ultimate after all.
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Says the one with Diddy Kong as his name! LOL

But seriously, yeah, it is quite old to say that a new Donkey Kong game will happen after so many failed attempts. Probably best to take such guesses with a grain of salt.

By the way, would this possibly hint at anything Direct related?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

He does say "See you next week!". I wonder if that could hint at anything Direct related?
 
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Perkilator said:
Kinda mixed. I got Sora, but now I'm missing BWD and Eggman.

I also wish I didn't have to feel bad for wanting Crash because of Activision.
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You shouldn't have to feel bad. Anyway, with that said, I just want to say, as unnecessary as it may be, something about fans of characters. I do hate to bring this up, but I want to say this, to everyone, not just you, Perkilator.

Now, first off, back some time ago when I was trying to defend Geno fans, I was accused by someone when I said things like "Anything can happen", among other things, saying that I was using strawman arguments. Now, let me say, I was just stating facts. Now by definition, a strawman argument is "the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version.". Trust me, I would never do such a thing, as like I said, I was just spitting facts.

Either way, it does seem that there are people who attack others, even when they spit facts, like what happened with me (though I won't share names as to who did that to me), are accused of using strawman arguments, because those people are just being defensive against something they don't like, don't want to hear it and use the strawman to try and shut others down, or are trying to argue for the sake of arguing; which is not always a good idea. It is not just those who come here, but people anywhere. In my case, I was not trying to argue. I also was not trying to make strawman arguments, as I would never do such a thing.

I was just trying to say some facts, and I am sure facts are not a strawman argument. But of me. As a reminder; please don't accuse those who want characters in a Smash game that you don't want of using strawman arguments unless they really are doing it. Some people don't, and others will try anything to shut them down or cause a fight. I don't think it is mentally healthy to try and avoid or deny facts anyway.

Anyway, just wanted to say this.

P.S. Eggman is also a character I want in Smash as well.
 
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SonicSmasher1 said:
Says the one with Diddy Kong as his name! LOL

But seriously, yeah, it is quite old to say that a new Donkey Kong game will happen after so many failed attempts. Probably best to take such guesses with a grain of salt.

By the way, would this possibly hint at anything Direct related?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

He does say "See you next week!". I wonder if that could hint at anything Direct related?
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Question is, what could they reveal in a Direct? Both games are already on Switch, and he LITERALLY JUST SAID we won't be getting any Deltarune chapters this year.
 
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fogbadge said:
I’m sure I’ve seen the series say it’s a puzzler

Don’t see how it’s an action game
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Maybe they meant "adventure"?

Ace Attorney is a text adventure game series more than it's a visual novel one, really.
 
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Speed Weed said:
this is what I hate the most about PxZ discussion. like, are Sonic fans really so averse to the idea of other SEGA franchises existing and getting the spotlight that they'll either completely disregard the game's established tone or find loopholes to get it in somehow? Sonic has had like a million things going on recently, he's constantly been in the spotlight, I swear it's fine to have him not appear in just one single crossover for once and let other SEGA characters get some time to shine. it's not like we're exactly out of options that fit the tone either. ****'s sake.
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It's especially weird because like...come on, the writing is absolutely on the wall lmao. Characters from Klonoa, Dig Dug, and Ghosts n Goblins got phased out pretty much immediately after Namco x Capcom (although Arthur did survive one more game in fairness), and Tarosuke went from being playable in NxC, to not in PXZ1 at all, to being an incredibly minor NPC in PXZ2.

I absolutely do not think it was a coincidence that those sorts of characters all but evaporated once Sega got on board, because they absolutely knew that if they'd have been kept, there'd have been an implicit obligation to stuff the Sega side full of Sonic characters. That would not only completely distract from the tone, but also draw every bit of attention away from the other games the series is trying to celebrate, many of which are far more low-key and under the radar. That's a problem that Eggman being human does not solve.

Doubly so when fan rosters for a potential sequel add Nintendo characters in a fuller extent and then they start requesting characters from Mario, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Pokémon, Kirby, and Splatoon. Like...no. When Star Fox is the property among those that clashes the least, it very much says something.
 
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On that note, here’s my roster for a PxZ sequel (mainly inspired by the creation thread that’s still up). I added a new company to this roster; one who’d be perfectly up for a roster like this.
NAMCO
  1. Main protagonists
  2. Arisu Reiji & Xiaomu
  3. Shion Uzuki & KOS-MOS
  4. Velvet Crowe & Laphicet
  5. Lloyd Irving & Yuri Lowell
  6. Paul Phoenix & Marshall Law
  7. Cassandra Alexandra & Yoshimitsu
  8. Louis & Mia
  9. Bravoman & Wonder Momo

Capcom
  1. Ryu & Ken Masters
  2. Guy & Cody Travers
  3. Chris Redfield & Sheva Alomar
  4. Lady & Ada Wong
  5. Mega Man & Harpnote
  6. Morrigan & Lilith Aensland
  7. Phoenix Wright + Maya Fey & Chuck Greene
  8. Naruhodo Ryunosuke & Herlock Sholmes
  9. Akira Kazama & Sakura Kasugano

SEGA
  1. Sakura Shinguji & Sakura Amamiya
  2. Joker & Goro Akechi
  3. Axel Stone & Blaze Fielding
  4. Nei & Rolf
  5. Vyse & Aika
  6. Akira Yuki & Aoi Umenokoji
  7. Claude Wallace & Riley Miller
  8. Kazuma Kiryu & Goro Majima
  9. Ryo Hazuki & Ichiban Kasuga

SNK
  1. Terry Bogard & Rock Howard
  2. Mai Shiranui & Kim Kaphwan
  3. Joe Higashi & King
  4. Ryo Sakazaki & Robert Garcia
  5. Kyo Kusanagi & Iori Yagami
  6. K’ & Kula Diamond
  7. Ralf Jones & Clark Still
  8. Marco Rossi & Fio Germi
  9. Haohmaru & Galford

Nintendo
  1. Edelgard & Dimitri
  2. Samus Aran & Captain Falcon
  3. Pyra & Mythra

Cross-Company
  • Dante & Bayonetta(Devil May Cry x Bayonetta 2)
    • Theme: Kamiya’s Brainchildren
  • Yuri Sakazaki & Dan Hibiki(Art of Fighting x Street Fighter)
    • Theme: Saikyo Style vs. Kyokugen; hilarity ensues
  • Pit & Valkyrie(Kid Icarus Uprising x The Legend of Valkyrie)
    • Theme: Angelic Warriors
  • Chie Satonaka & Ayumi Tachibana(Persona 4 x Famicom Detective Club)
    • Theme: Schoolgirls who help solve murder mysteries
  • Richard Miller & G(Time Crisis x The House of the Dead)
    • Theme: Light Gun Agency
  • Princess Peach & Sir Arthur(Super Mario Bros. x Ghosts ‘n Goblins)
    • Theme: A Princess and Her Knigh
NAMCO
  1. Jin Kazama
  2. Reiko Nagase
  3. Haruka Amami
  4. Solaire of Astoria
  5. Taizo Hori
  6. Gilgamesh
  7. Tarosuke
  8. Sänger Zonvolt

Capcom
  1. Frank West
  2. Rashid
  3. Chun-Li
  4. Ruby Heart
  5. Jill Valentine
  6. Mike Haggar
  7. Tessa
  8. Viewtiful Joe

SEGA
  1. Sketch Turner
  2. Aigis
  3. Dr. Eggman
  4. Ulala
  5. Gilius Thunderhead
  6. Seijuro Kamiyama
  7. Alis Landale
  8. Beat

SNK
  1. Athena Asamiya
  2. Chizuru Kagura
  3. Akari Ichijou
  4. Nakoruru
  5. Leona Heidern
  6. Maxima
  7. Jeanne D’Arc
  8. Rosa

Nintendo
  1. Claude von Riegan
  2. Sami
  3. Isaac
  • Cassandra & Yoshimitsu: Another Yoshimitsu exists in Soul Calibur, so I wanted to add Tekken’s Yoshimitsu to strengthen the chronological link between the two
  • Chris & Sheva as a Pair, and Jill as a Solo: Not only because I want Wesker in the game, but also for a possible sub-plot where Jill is brainwashed again, but joins the group after you rescue her
  • Phoenix and Chuck: Part of Chuck’s story in Dead Rising 2 is trying to prove he didn’t start a zombie outbreak, so I figured it would make sense to pair him with a defense attorney who could gather the evidence to prove his innocence
  • Akira & Sakura: They’re both playable in the original Rival Schools. Pretty simple.
  • Joker & Akechi: If they were to really dig deep, I could see a plot point where the heroic Joker gets framed by a villain from Persona 2 named Joker
  • Double Sakuras: The Sakura in the Sakura Wars reboot idolizes the Sakura in the original Sakura Wars franchise, so their story could be similar to Kite & Haseo in PxZ2 where they fight someone resembling the original hero
  • Akira & Aoi: Continuing the trend of the previous games of pairing based on personal relationships, Akira and Aoi are childhood friends whose fathers knew each other
  • Terry & Rock: If you know Garou, you know Terry’s always been like a surrogate father to Rock. Might make for an interesting sub-plot if Geese Howard is in the game as well.
  • Mai & Kim: They’re both staples of Fatal Fury and KOF. I know some people would pair Mai with Andy, which is also fine, but this is one of those pairs where I wanted to get more creative.
  • House Leaders: They’re the perfect candidates for the Fire Emblem Pair and Solo. Pretty simple.
  • Samus & Captain Falcon: They’re both galactic bounty hunters. Again, pretty simple.
  • Dante & Bayonetta: They were originally going to be a Pair in PxZ2, but Kamiya turned that idea down, which he went on to regret
  • Yuri & Dan: When Capcom first saw Art of Fighting, their minds when to their own characters from Street Fighter, so they created Dan Hibiki to be an unapologetic parody of Ryo and Robert. SNK bit back by making sure Yuri stole every possible Street Fighter attack in subsequent games.
  • Chie & Ayumi: Both their games revolve around a murder mystery, except Ayumi would be the brains and Chie the brawn
  • Peach & Arthur: I just figured Peach would be a good middle ground for representing Nintendo’s most famous franchise, design-wise
  • Jin Kazama: Taken from after the events of Tekken 7, where Heihachi is dead
  • Tarosuke: The second game hinted he might join the group again someday, so I wanted to put him here for that sake
  • Sketch Turner: A good deep cut pick from the Genesis era. Again, pretty simple.
  • Dr. Eggman: Similar reasons to Peach; comes from his company’s most famous franchise, but strikes a middle ground between humanoid and cartoony
 
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Opossum said:
It's especially weird because like...come on, the writing is absolutely on the wall lmao. Characters from Klonoa, Dig Dug, and Ghosts n Goblins got phased out pretty much immediately after Namco x Capcom (although Arthur did survive one more game in fairness), and Tarosuke went from being playable in NxC, to not in PXZ1 at all, to being an incredibly minor NPC in PXZ2.

I absolutely do not think it was a coincidence that those sorts of characters all but evaporated once Sega got on board, because they absolutely knew that if they'd have been kept, there'd have been an implicit obligation to stuff the Sega side full of Sonic characters. That would not only completely distract from the tone, but also draw every bit of attention away from the other games the series is trying to celebrate, many of which are far more low-key and under the radar. That's a problem that Eggman being human does not solve.

Doubly so when fan rosters for a potential sequel add Nintendo characters in a fuller extent and then they start requesting characters from Mario, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Pokémon, Kirby, and Splatoon. Like...no. When Star Fox is the property among those that clashes the least, it very much says something.
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You know, it's because of this that I think Nintendo may have something of a golden opportunity with their more obscure (human/humanoid) characters.

If Smash (for whatever reason) can't add them, maybe PxZ could probably make decent use out of characters like Ayumi Tachibana, Takamaru, the Hayami siblings, Captain Rainbow, Isaac and/or Matthew, a Wars character (be it Andy or otherwise), a Fire Emblem character (like Sigurd, Seliph, Leif, etc.), Mike Jones, Michael Anderson, Ashley Mizuki Robbins, Kyle Hyde, Sato Amatsubo, Naomi Moriha, etc. I mean, the list sort of goes on.

For the record, I mean having them be playable or simply making a cameo in a certain location.
 
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In PXZ 3 maybe they should come Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem), John Raimi (Geist), Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment: Successor of the Earth), Raymond Bryce (Disaster: Day of Crisis) and Noe with Mio (Xenoblade Chronicles 3).
 
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Stratos said:
In PXZ 3 maybe they should come Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem), John Raimi (Geist), Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment: Successor of the Earth), Raymond Bryce (Disaster: Day of Crisis) and Noe with Mio (Xenoblade Chronicles 3).
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Exactly. As much as I hate to admit it, Smash probably won't have those characters (possibly outside of Noah and/or Mio) in any major role anytime soon, so I would think PXZ would be their next best bet.
 
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smashkirby said:
Exactly. As much as I hate to admit it, Smash probably won't have those characters (possibly outside of Noah and/or Mio) in any major role anytime soon, so I would think PXZ would be their next best bet.
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All these characters are of those I would like to see in the Super Smash Bros. series as well.
 
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Stratos said:
All these characters are of those I would like to see in the Super Smash Bros. series as well.
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Really? Same here! But as I said before, I'm not holding my breath on seeing them join Smash anytime soon.

Well, aside from Noah and/or Mio, at least.
 
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