New way to Ledge hog (maybe?)

[RyutsNoir]

I don't know if this has been found yet. Looked all over but can't find anything on it. If it's know then my bad D:

Any character can Pivot walk off the stage and grab the ledge almost as fast as a Brawl walk off grab.
How to perform
Hold A
Walk (not dash) in a direction.
Tilt up, and slightly backwards on the C-stick.


Any character can do it I believe. Tested with a number of them (Though timings are all slightly different based on falling speeds and aerial mobility)

I can't make a video but it's not difficult to perform

Here's a video of pivot walking anyways for those who don't know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sacIYsrRvq0

 

[DrinkingFood]

It's known but not used very often, mostly because run -> dashturn -> wavedash is usually faster.

 

[9bit]

It's known but not used very often, mostly because run -> dashturn -> wavedash is usually faster.

This is sooooo good. This maneuver is one of the main reasons I have a real hard time going back to Melee.

 

[Soft Serve]

In Melee (and PM) the fastest way to the ledge for most characters is dash>pivot turn around the frame before your teeter animation> fall of grab ledge. Its very hard timing wise but is faster than a wave dash to the ledge.

How fast this is depends on the character's pivot walk speed. I do like how it gives you the option to tilt recoveries on reaction though.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

In Melee (and PM) the fastest way to the ledge for most characters is dash>pivot turn around the frame before your teeter animation> fall of grab ledge. Its very hard timing wise but is faster than a wave dash to the ledge.

How fast this is depends on the character's pivot walk speed. I do like how it gives you the option to tilt recoveries on reaction though.

oh
Didn't know that
Learning that this is now

 

[Chesstiger2612]

In Melee (and PM) the fastest way to the ledge for most characters is dash>pivot turn around the frame before your teeter animation> fall of grab ledge. Its very hard timing wise but is faster than a wave dash to the ledge.

How fast this is depends on the character's pivot walk speed. I do like how it gives you the option to tilt recoveries on reaction though.

Damn you you just forced me in a weekend-long tech-skill session

 

[Soft Serve]

Its difficult because you have to do an empty pivot, and the spacing is janky. Its a fun technique to be able to do, but its not practical unless you are a tas god. Kandano's perfect marth thread shows it being done to take the ledge from a shino stalling sheik

 

[Fortress]

It's known but not used very often, mostly because run -> dashturn -> wavedash is usually faster.

Moonwalk. Get on my level. Too bad I can only do it properly with my secondary...

 

[tauKhan]

Damn you you just forced me in a weekend-long tech-skill session

Don't put your energy to that... it's hard to do even in TAS at least in melee

 

[Fortress]

Not really. I've got a couple of friends who can do it on cue. Must count for something.

 

[standardtoaster]

this is just a pc drop

 

[ThreeSided]

Its difficult because you have to do an empty pivot, and the spacing is janky. Its a fun technique to be able to do, but its not practical unless you are a tas god.

Any given situation can be muscle-memoried in this game. The issue is when it's not memory because it's situation dependent. If I'm understanding this correctly, the reason this is so ungodly hard is because it's a 1 frame tech that's going to have different timing depending on your distance from the ledge, which is highly variable. However, in theory, you could just learn how to do it from specific defined distances for your character and muscle memory that. For example, after grabbing the ledge, doing various ledge recovery options and learning the timing to do this at the distance each of those leave you at. Heck, you could just roll to the edge in training mode, roll once away, and just learn that distance. It just wouldn't be practical by itself because you'd have to set it up like that every time.

Anyways, good thread. I've learned multiple things I didn't know in only a few posts.