New Update Makes More Stages "Legal"?

[Bonk!]

So recently a new patch was added to Smash 4 Wii U allowing access to more stages in 8- Player Smash mode. We've already learned that stages go through some changes from their normal smash mode counterparts in order for the console to not kill itself (ex. Metal Face not appearing in Gaur Plains). A couple of stages have also recieved this treatment in the new patch and I believe that there is a possibility that we may have even MORE legal stages on our list.

Notable stages include:

Pyrosphere (Ridley and other enemy characters no longer appear)
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE IMPROVEMENT. Pyrosphere has a very unique layout of platforms that is somewhat similar the layout of Wario Ware from PM. I would personally adore this stage being legal for singles somehow.

Norfair (No more lava waterfalls appearing from the background or sides)
Norfair might not be everybodys' favourite, but the layout without that annoying lava makes it seem like the 5 - platform stage could see some play.

Pokemon Stadium 2 (Stage no longer transforms)
I personally don't mind the transformations in the normal version, but I know players (myself included) long to play on that strictly 2 - platform stage that we all love in PM. This is something that I see as a shoe-in for legality. It's just such a great layout.

Luigi's Mansion (Support beams are no longer destructable)
I guess this is a bit of a stretch, but technically there isn't much wrong with this. It's just the same thing, but the house cannot be broken down anymore. This isn't really up to me anyway so whatever.

Watch this video from GameXplain if you're curious about the other stages...

The only concern I have is, how would we go about playing these stages in singles if we need at least 5 people to gain access to them? I doubt having 3 extra people join the game just to kill themselves would be easy, but I don't know. Maybe there's some easy method I'm just not getting.

Anyways let me know what you guys think! If Smash 4 gets more and more updates like this that "legalize" stages then we could get even more cool stuff like a Wily's Castle with no Yellow Devil or something.

 

[ItsBearTime]

Luigi's Mansion (Support beams are no longer destructable)
I guess this is a bit of a stretch, but technically there isn't much wrong with this. It's just the same thing, but the house cannot be broken down anymore. This isn't really up to me anyway so whatever.

This would actually be worse for Luigi's Mansion competitively, if anything. The main problem with that stage the solid platforms making everyone live forever, and being able to destroy the mansion is the one way to get around that. Without being able to destroy the mansion, the stage is just bad (as it stands, regular Luigi's Mansion is just barely good enough to be a maybe on some liberal stage lists).

 

[ATH_]

This makes these stages more viable for doubles. Not singles since it takes 5 players to make the hazards go away.

PS2 is perfectly viable either way, people just haven't played it enough for the most part.

 

[andimidna]

Ooh I like the layout of Pyrosphere
Well, at least the top, the bottom of the stage having a ceiling (or whatever you wanna call it) is bleh
2nd least favorite omega after Lylat
lol biased rosalina main

A Pokemon Stadium that doesn't transform sounds like my new favorite stage lol I have to check this out
I'd be interested to see this Norfair used competitively too, I've never played on it tho so idk much about it

 

[relaxedexcorcist]

The main problem would be ease of set up. Since to turn the hazards off, you'd need 3 extra controllers and preferably 3 extra people per set-up (For anyone who doesn't know, playing a 1v1 in 8-player mode doesn't turn the hazards off, the game will treat it like a regular 2 player match until theres at least 5 people). You wouldn't need them all at once but every time someone wants to use a stage, you're gonna have to take time to find or get 3 people, plug/sync the controller, and then waiting for 3 people to kill themselves two or three times, while also hoping at least one of them doesn't feel like a jerk and messes something up cause no one ever loved him or something. The players could do it themselves if they had the controllers but it would take a longer time.

If it were an ideal world and everyone was willing to being a bunch of controllers this would probably have to be the set up in one of these ways.

• All participants bring two wired controllers. One for there own use and one for character suiciding.
• All set up's bring the Gamepad and its charger, or a Pro controller and have it plugged into the back of the Wii U, so there is always a third controller, or another GC adapter and controller.

Or,

• Anyone bringing a set-up also has to bring 2 wired controllers and a Gamepad/Pro controller to be used only on the one console, or another GC adapter and controller.

Both these ways have there fair share of problems and are probably to cumbersome to bother with to just get 4 stages legal, and even then, Pokemon Stadium 2 is probably the only one that would actually be legal (And theres already arguments thats it's perfectly playable as is). Maybe Pyrosphere as a counterpick, but chances are it's too big for 1v1. So people would have to put in all this extra effort just to entertain the possibility that these two stages might be played in a set. Theres also the issue of practicing on these stages.


However, these stages would be super easy to use in 2v2, since there will always be 4 controllers present at the console, and unless the person who brought the set up is using the controller that was used too boot up the game, there will always be a 5th controller present for someone to suicide with. The only extra effort this would take is just making sure the controller stays charged.

 

[Bonk!]

The main problem would be ease of set up. Since to turn the hazards off, you'd need 3 extra controllers and preferably 3 extra people per set-up (For anyone who doesn't know, playing a 1v1 in 8-player mode doesn't turn the hazards off, the game will treat it like a regular 2 player match until theres at least 5 people). You wouldn't need them all at once but every time someone wants to use a stage, you're gonna have to take time to find or get 3 people, plug/sync the controller, and then waiting for 3 people to kill themselves two or three times, while also hoping at least one of them doesn't feel like a jerk and messes something up cause no one ever loved him or something. The players could do it themselves if they had the controllers but it would take a longer time.

If it were an ideal world and everyone was willing to being a bunch of controllers this would probably have to be the set up in one of these ways.

• All participants bring two wired controllers. One for there own use and one for character suiciding.
• All set up's bring the Gamepad and its charger, or a Pro controller and have it plugged into the back of the Wii U, so there is always a third controller, or another GC adapter and controller.

Or,

• Anyone bringing a set-up also has to bring 2 wired controllers and a Gamepad/Pro controller to be used only on the one console, or another GC adapter and controller.

Both these ways have there fair share of problems and are probably to cumbersome to bother with to just get 4 stages legal, and even then, Pokemon Stadium 2 is probably the only one that would actually be legal (And theres already arguments thats it's perfectly playable as is). Maybe Pyrosphere as a counterpick, but chances are it's too big for 1v1. So people would have to put in all this extra effort just to entertain the possibility that these two stages might be played in a set. Theres also the issue of practicing on these stages.


However, these stages would be super easy to use in 2v2, since there will always be 4 controllers present at the console, and unless the person who brought the set up is using the controller that was used too boot up the game, there will always be a 5th controller present for someone to suicide with. The only extra effort this would take is just making sure the controller stays charged.

You're right about the problems, but I feel like it would be worth it. PS2 alone just seems like such a great stage to have in singles. I hope some system is made for this to happen for tournaments.

 

[◥θ┴θ◤ | JJ]

The main problem would be ease of set up. Since to turn the hazards off, you'd need 3 extra controllers and preferably 3 extra people per set-up (For anyone who doesn't know, playing a 1v1 in 8-player mode doesn't turn the hazards off, the game will treat it like a regular 2 player match until theres at least 5 people). You wouldn't need them all at once but every time someone wants to use a stage, you're gonna have to take time to find or get 3 people, plug/sync the controller, and then waiting for 3 people to kill themselves two or three times, while also hoping at least one of them doesn't feel like a jerk and messes something up cause no one ever loved him or something. The players could do it themselves if they had the controllers but it would take a longer time.

If it were an ideal world and everyone was willing to being a bunch of controllers this would probably have to be the set up in one of these ways.

• All participants bring two wired controllers. One for there own use and one for character suiciding.
• All set up's bring the Gamepad and its charger, or a Pro controller and have it plugged into the back of the Wii U, so there is always a third controller, or another GC adapter and controller.

Or,

• Anyone bringing a set-up also has to bring 2 wired controllers and a Gamepad/Pro controller to be used only on the one console, or another GC adapter and controller.

Both these ways have there fair share of problems and are probably to cumbersome to bother with to just get 4 stages legal, and even then, Pokemon Stadium 2 is probably the only one that would actually be legal (And theres already arguments thats it's perfectly playable as is). Maybe Pyrosphere as a counterpick, but chances are it's too big for 1v1. So people would have to put in all this extra effort just to entertain the possibility that these two stages might be played in a set. Theres also the issue of practicing on these stages.


However, these stages would be super easy to use in 2v2, since there will always be 4 controllers present at the console, and unless the person who brought the set up is using the controller that was used too boot up the game, there will always be a 5th controller present for someone to suicide with. The only extra effort this would take is just making sure the controller stays charged.

This basically nailed it. No doubt we'll be able to get these legal in Doubles by just having someone with the GamePad choose an individual color and SD (not unlike the 3DS tournaments where a 3rd person captured the matches), but Singles will be difficult. Like, probably more difficult than getting custom moves legal -- for reference, the ideal situation for that is a 3DS with all of them on it, which can done via PowerSaves, so we'd need TOs get select people to bring their 3DS's to match the amount of Wii U's and put the customs on them, all of which is very cumbersome (though not undoable). Of course, people could also bring their own 3DS with pre-made builds, but still.

If we start seeing this (the stages thing), it will likely be at small, local tournaments testing the waters. I guess we'll see how it goes from there.

 

[G-Guy]

Or the basic layouts can be recreated via stage builder. That seems to be the less convoluted solution in the long run...

 

[wedl!!]

it's not really realistic to have 4-6 people SD before a match

 

[Pogoshark]

So we got everything we asked for!... except we cant use it in a competitive 1v1 match
Trolled by Sakurai yet again

 

[◥θ┴θ◤ | JJ]

Or the basic layouts can be recreated via stage builder. That seems to be the less convoluted solution in the long run...

That would only work once we can share stages. And even then, the surfaces and blast zones wouldn't be the same.

 

[Arcadenik]

We have Omega mode to turn all stages into Final Destination.... they need to come up with Alpha mode to turn all stages into Battlefield... and Sigma mode to turn off stage hazards so they would be like the hazard-less stages in 8-Player Smash.

 

[Bonk!]

We have Omega mode to turn all stages into Final Destination.... they need to come up with Alpha mode to turn all stages into Battlefield... and Sigma mode to turn off stage hazards so they would be like the hazard-less stages in 8-Player Smash.

I was hoping for the same thing when I saw the Yellow Devil and Ridley in the Directs. How could they have not thought of that?

 

[◥θ┴θ◤ | JJ]

We have Omega mode to turn all stages into Final Destination.... they need to come up with Alpha mode to turn all stages into Battlefield... and Sigma mode to turn off stage hazards so they would be like the hazard-less stages in 8-Player Smash.

I've thought of this kind of thing myself. It would be really nice if we could get it in a patch.

And while we're at it, patch these into For Glory along with moderately liberal tournament stages (like Pilotwings & unaltered Pokemon Stadium 2) alongside universally legal ones -- nothing but Omega & Final Destination is boring as hell. And, for Christ's sake, let us choose the stages like in With Friends mode.

 

[Jigglymaster]

I don't know if you guys noticed. But Pyrosphere is huge. Even without ridley it would have the same problems as Big Battlefield and be banned because of that. Even for 2v2 its a little bit too big.

However, for 3v3 its easily the best stage in the game, if that ever becomes a thing.

 

[◥θ┴θ◤ | JJ]

I don't know if you guys noticed. But Pyrosphere is huge. Even without ridley it would have the same problems as Big Battlefield and be banned because of that. Even for 2v2 its a little bit too big.

However, for 3v3 its easily the best stage in the game, if that ever becomes a thing.

No way is it too big for Doubles.

 

[Bonk!]

Okay bottom line is that PS2 merits itself to make its way into singles and that's the most important stage by far.