New Samus Waza

[Rohins]

I've been experimenting with some stuff. I'll cut to the chase:

Rising Grapple from ledge
Basically this is avoiding the sweet spot mechanic and getting your zair while you ledge hop. To do this, simple be horizontally past the ledge while jumping. It's very easy to do on battlefield, delfina, and smashville. Hard to do on FD. Nearly pointless on Lylat (the way the level shifts). Impossible (as far as I know) on Yoshi's.

Uses (aside from the obvious): Ever want to hit that person camping outside of your fair range yet too far to just jump on the level and zair? There you go. Also sweet vs snake's who like to nikita you while you're on the ledge.

Platform Missile Canceling
Yup, it's back. Not as useful since Samus on most levels doesn't have a jump the same height as platforms. The trick is canceling her "lag" when she lands a missile on a platform. Normally, if you MC on a platform and press down, you don't go through. To circumvent this, shield right after your missile and proceed as you would missile canceling in melee.

Uses: The actual spam itself isn't too useful, but it's nice to be able to fall through a platform after MCing on it. I guess if you wanted to camp a little it could be used for that. Delfina's the easiest to "spam" on.



I'll post more as I find more.

 

[PK-ow!]

I'd appreciate it if you made this missile cancelling technique more transparent for those of us who did not get into high-level Melee.

So basically, with the rising grapple... you're saying we have to wait.

Well no shoot, Sherlock. I don't mean too much harm, but that's the solution that occurs to anyone anyway. If you had, like, frame data, or anything more specific than what we can know by feeling it out, that would be handy.

Perhaps I missed how your post was more than what it seems. I hope I did.

 

[Rohins]

I'd appreciate it if you made this missile cancelling technique more transparent for those of us who did not get into high-level Melee.

So basically, with the rising grapple... you're saying we have to wait.

Well no shoot, Sherlock. I don't mean too much harm, but that's the solution that occurs to anyone anyway. If you had, like, frame data, or anything more specific than what we can know by feeling it out, that would be handy.

Perhaps I missed how your post was more than what it seems. I hope I did.

You missed the point. I'm talking about rising onto the level with the grapple while under the ledge not after you have already hopped on the level.

Missiles on platform: Missile cancel on a platform, shield(makes it so you can drop immediately), drop, shoot missile, jump on platform (repeat).

Edit:

An easy way to see the grapple technique: Go on battlefield and hold the edge. Let go of edge and press Z; your grapple will auto sweet spot. Now from the edge (say you are on the left edge) let go of the edge and move right. Jump and press Z. Your grapple will not sweet spot the edge and you can hit people. I'll make a vid if people want it, can't right now out of town until Sunday.

 

[Hylian]

I posted about the rising grapple thing a while ago >_>. I think I was even correcting you Rohins lol in the samus Q&A topic, when you said she couldn't do it anymore.


My memory is bad though so meh.


I need to try this PMC though.

 

[Rohins]

I posted about the rising grapple thing a while ago >_>. I think I was even correcting you Rohins lol in the samus Q&A topic, when you said she couldn't do it anymore.


My memory is bad though so meh.


I need to try this PMC though.

I remember that come to think of it. I remember confusing it with Melee's rising grapple which is different from this. Good point.

Edit: Scratch that I'm talking about something different. I'll make a vid showcasing what I'm talking about Monday.

 

[Dobs1007]

Looks like you decided to share this with the boards lol. Nice work on finding this I have been able to do it this consistently now. Keep up the good work Rohins and same to you Hylian. IMO Samus is still decent and you two have been finding the most and sharing it with the rest of the community.