New Kirby Theories (everyone loves talking about kirby, right?)

[Winston]

MATTS! thread is clearly just people flaming him now, so here's a new thread to meet the talking-about-kirby quota.

What I believe to be true about kirby:

1). He is the easiest character at noob level.

2). He is not actually easy to be good with.

3). Easiest to be good with / "cheapest" character would be falcon.

4). Kirby is the character that you get most frustrated playing against when you're a noob because of #1.

5). Very few people (if any) play kirby at higher levels of play because he's boring.

6). #4 and #5 together mean that even as you get past noob level, most people still retain their views/disdain for kirby.

7). Fox is better than kirby.

8). I'm not that sure about #7 because of #5.


Discuss or flame or whatever, I just hope this doesn't get locked too soon because I think these are some valid points that haven't been raised before.

 

[The Boss of God]

Kirby is easy to be good with.

 

[Xelgand]

I think that a good fox can win any kirby, if they play in a stage like hyrule where fox can approach with the guns and start with the drill or any aerial, once he got the kirby can be easily killed at low %

Kirby can be spaming smashes but that would just let him exposed to fox's combos

Maybe kirby playing with aerials and some drills can kill fox a couple of times, but in the end fox should be the winner

The main advantage here is fox's speed, kirby is way too slow to react against fox's tilts and aerials

 

[NixxxoN]

-The main reason why noobs pick Kirby is because he flies (noobs are afraid to fall). They pick him over Jiggly because they think Jiggly sucks.

-Kirby noobs "best" mindgames (usually) are to keep flying above the other and wait for the right moment to make a dair.

-Kirby's utilt is too good and the hitbox is too big.

-People with good level dont like him because of a) used him a lot when noob ... b) hes boring

 

[Zantetsu]

-He is easy to play at both an easy and an average level.
-You can't **** up when you are playing against him.
-Most players don't play him because he's boring and people actually respect the game enough to not choose him just to win.
-He's cute

There's my 2 cents.

 

[Burrbomb]

Kirby does take skill, it's the noobish combo's that make Kirby hated. I know a combo that can inflict 50% in one combo without smash attacks. And what about being afraid to fall? If thats true then I could say the exact same thing for: Pit, MK, Jiggly, Dedede, and Luigi (Luigi actualy has 3 recovery moves. 3 recoveries+2 jumps= 5 jumps). I've been playing Kirby for awhile and if you train enough, you can beat any Fox. (Besides, Fox only has like 2 moves he constantly uses on him.)

 

[NixxxoN]

Kirby does take skill, it's the noobish combo's that make Kirby hated. I know a combo that can inflict 50% in one combo without smash attacks. And what about being afraid to fall? If thats true then I could say the exact same thing for: Pit, MK, Jiggly, Dedede, and Luigi (Luigi actualy has 3 recovery moves. 3 recoveries+2 jumps= 5 jumps). I've been playing Kirby for awhile and if you train enough, you can beat any Fox. (Besides, Fox only has like 2 moves he constantly uses on him.)

?? We are talking about SSB64.

And.. You can beat any Fox playing Kirby for a while? You mean any noob Fox?

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Lol, MetaKnight is soooo broken in ssb64 ! He can even use a spam b button move and even his Up b button move kills ! So stupidddd ! And what to say about dedede, chain grabs to the max ! Because he's fat when he get's hit there is no stun time ! He can even AIR DODGE ! Woahhhhh.


True fax.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Falcon isnt that easy to be good with it takes skill to get past doing his simple combos and predictable mindgames.

Falcon has easy combos but he dies easily and he's so fast that to accuratly control his speed properly and have a top notch falcon takes massive skills.

 

[Zen Yore]

1) Kirby is weak

2) Kirby sucks

3) Kirby is stupid

4) Kirby is fat

5) Kirby is a bubble gum

6) Kirby is dumb

7) Kirby isn't intelligent

8) Kirby isn't smart

9) Kirby is an idiot

10) Kirby is a scrub

 

[Winston]

Falcon isnt that easy to be good with it takes skill to get past doing his simple combos and predictable mindgames.

Falcon has easy combos but he dies easily and he's so fast that to accuratly control his speed properly and have a top notch falcon takes massive skills.

-Both of them have relatively easy combos.
-Both of them die easily once they get hit.
-Both of them create retardedly huge and fast combo-starting hitboxes above them.
-one of them is fast and the other one isn't.

I main falcon, I'm not just bashing him cause I hate him or I think he's cheap or whatever. I just think the fact that he's fast and much more maneuverable makes him easier to play smart with than kirby.

Obviously having a "top notch" falcon requires massive skills, but having a "top notch" kirby would also.

@ Boss of God: nice answer, I don't really think you know what you're talking about in general...

@ BHLRMO: we basically agree.

@ random brawl noob guy: LOL

@ Zen Yore: gtfo haha

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

I think that a good fox can win any kirby, if they play in a stage like hyrule where fox can approach with the guns and start with the drill or any aerial, once he got the kirby can be easily killed at low %

Kirby can be spaming smashes but that would just let him exposed to fox's combos

Maybe kirby playing with aerials and some drills can kill fox a couple of times, but in the end fox should be the winner

The main advantage here is fox's speed, kirby is way too slow to react against fox's tilts and aerials

Agree with this comment.
Kirby is cute lol!!!
Easy to use that's why I don't use him so much.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Agree with this comment.
Kirby is cute lol!!!
Easy to use that's why I don't use him so much.

either way its always intresting to see a really good player use kirby. for like.. one match.

 

[NixxxoN]

@ Gustav_Wind:

Falcon has a ****e recovery and Kirby not.
And Falcon is waaaay more funny than boring lame Kirby.

 

[Surri-Sama]

We need to stop making Kirby threads...old **** is old

 

[Winston]

@ Nixxxon: Kirby's recovery is slighty better but it's still pretty easy to edgeguard.

@ Sihrc: what're you talking about? Kirby controversy never gets old :D

Seriously though I don't think enough people realize that Kirby isn't all ez mode when your opponents aren't noobs.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Kirby has a very easy starting point, but is very hard to get professonal with, Dedrick could teach us all some things

 

[Fireblaster]

Kirby has a very easy starting point, but is very hard to get professonal with, Dedrick could teach us all some things

Yeah, here are some tips he'd probably give us to get good with kirby:

- Approach? What's that?

- Why dodge when you can just Utilt?

- Stalling in the air waiting to land that D-air is an advanced tactic

- Camping is for pros

- Camp under the platforms in hyrule to get an easy throw kill

 

[Wenbobular]

Play to win right?

 

[Winston]

Yeah, here are some tips he'd probably give us to get good with kirby:

- Approach? What's that?

- Why dodge when you can just Utilt?

- Stalling in the air waiting to land that D-air is an advanced tactic

- Camping is for pros

- Camp under the platforms in hyrule to get an easy throw kill

I tried utilt spamming with kirby and I couldn't pull it off >.>;;

I guess I'm not technical enough to play kirby

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I like comboing kirby with captain falcon

 

[Xelgand]

falcon combos are way more cheap than playing kirby at high level

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

god I hate that word.. ''cheap''

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

cheap shouldn't exist, makes you sound like a scrub =/

 

[Winston]

cheap shouldn't exist, makes you sound like a scrub =/

It seems to me like there are a lot more scrub-like tendencies in the ssb community than in the ssbm one...

I think it's because this game is so much more broken and stupid in places. Because the fact is you have to vary (most) of your combos and stuff in ssbm because of the more extended DI system, so style naturally comes from being good.

The ssb system doesn't force you to do more than perform simple, repetitive combos and edgeguards (with some characters) if you just want to eliminate stocks and win, unless you're at that level where you literally have to 0-death (or close to it) them with every combo starting move that you land. Which most people aren't close to.

 

[Surri-Sama]

0-death them with every combo starting move that you land. Which most people aren't close to.

Not even Isai does that.

Broken is also a scrub word except for in this context.

Isai is Broken!

 

[Qzzy]

Kirby kind of seems to suffer from being the shiek (melee) of this game. Easy to pick up, with vary little variation, and really good, but not the best. That's Pikachu, right?

I know some people that get bored of playing against sheik, but sheik doesn't seem to have it nearly as bad as kirby here. Maybe it's b/c there's no real tournament scene. I get the impression from most people here that you're playing to have fun, rather than win, as there's nothing really on the line.

 

[Winston]

Not even Isai does that.

Broken is also a scrub word except for in this context.

Isai is Broken!

Not literally 0-death, like the opponent might tech, but the vast majority of the time he'll just chase that tech and kill his opponent anyway. Note I said combo starting move, not any hit.

Okay, fine, not 0-death every time. I'll revise that to "land a significant combo with every combo-starting hit". What I meant is that, with some characters, 90% of the combo situations can be handled by relatively simple and repetitive combos or edgeguards. That extra 10% is more complicated and only matters when you're at a really high level already.

@ Qzzy, I think you basically have it right, along with the point I made in the post above yours as well as my initial ones.

 

[NixxxoN]

Kirby kind of seems to suffer from being the shiek (melee) of this game. Easy to pick up, with vary little variation, and really good, but not the best. That's Pikachu, right?

I know some people that get bored of playing against sheik, but sheik doesn't seem to have it nearly as bad as kirby here. Maybe it's b/c there's no real tournament scene. I get the impression from most people here that you're playing to have fun, rather than win, as there's nothing really on the line.

Kirby is easier to pick up in SSB64 than Sheik in Melee

 

[Superstar]

cheap shouldn't exist, makes you sound like a scrub =/

I agree too. cheap, unfair, dishonorable, yah. Makes me cringe. Broken seems fine if it's in a lighthearted context, or in the "it's broken so I should use" mood.

Kirby's utilt and dair are scary stuff, obviously. No dislike but I don't play many Kirby players.

- Sakurai plays favorites.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

sheik is so much easier to pick up <_<

 

[Deleted member]

actually falcon takes less skill at noob level

 

[Shasta]

so basically kirby is the easiest character to start with
then who is the hardest to start with

 

[MattNF]

so basically kirby is the easiest character to start with
then who is the hardest to start with

Luigi or DK

 

[NixxxoN]

Luigi or DK

Also Samus maybe

 

[Winston]

Well if you're REALLY just starting, then you won't have any tech skill, so fox might be hard.

Plus if you f up, you get edgeguarded really easily.

 

[Daedatheus]

Well if you're REALLY just starting, then you won't have any tech skill, so fox might be hard.

IMO Fox is much easier for a noob simply because he's fast. The ultimate noob approaching tactic being Dash+A, Luigi and DK would get rocked by Fox. Of course with two noobs fighting, if DK spams grabs, he could win easily. Luigi REQUIRES more skill for easy kills.

 

[Surri-Sama]

luigi and ness i think would be hard to start with, Ness is so easy to gimp if your not good with UpB and his combos are almost impossible

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

actually falcon takes less skill at noob level

fthrow usmash uair x4/5 YESSS!1one

yeah yeah, but he has like a billion other combos that are more flashy and actually more useful for getting the opponent off the stage with more damage.

but I agree about the n00b falcon thing

 

[NixxxoN]

actually falcon takes less skill at noob level

I disagree at least in small stages like Dreamland where Falcon noobs get killed so easily.

ness i think would be hard to start with, Ness is so easy to gimp if your not good with UpB and his combos are almost impossible

The good thing with Ness is, he doesnt need Z-cancel and the noobs dont z-cancel so this is a major advantage. Dair spam and stuff.