New characters in the future with Downloadable Content, like the 360?

[Killer Tree]

Now that the Wii is online. Do you think it is possible to have new characters after the game is released through downloadable content?

 

[bluebomber22]

i think its possible BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY WOULD DO IT

 

[Shuma]

I hope so.

 

[Pieman0920]

Because I can't make a post with just two letters, I wrote this part. Now what I was going to post before this:

NO.

 

[Jackal478]

It's a good idea, but.

I dont think so.

 

[Killer Tree]

Why not?

;_;

 

[skullkidd]

no, it won't happen.
what about the people that don't have access to it?

 

[Killer Tree]

no, it won't happen.
what about the people that don't have access to it?

You could say the same thing about any game with downloadable content.


or

If it's a big update with a lot of characters, they could do what Bungie did with Halo 2 and have a map pack sold in stores on a dvd.

 

[bluebomber22]

because its already still a toss up of whether we'll even have online play or not. nintendo doesn't put much merit into online stuff. look at their track record. good idea, but wrong company

 

[Gypsy Lee]

This is funny, because in the other ten threads that are talking about the same exact thing, they all supported the idea.

It's kind of weird that the opinions of the General Brawl Discussion posters and the Brawl Character Discussion posters are so different.

 

[the grim lizard]

...not gonna happen.

 

[Anders Kaiser]

The chance of any substantial downloadable content is minimal. The Wii's internal memory is too small to save enough data for something like that. Not to mention Nintendo's history with online offerings is...lame, at best. Maybe for the next Smash Bros, on Nintendo's next console, but it's not going to happen with Brawl.

 

[the grim lizard]

Downloadable content is a terrible idea anyway. It's just a scam to cut back the game for release only to make more money on things that should have been on the game in the first place. This is why Microsoft does it, to suck as much money out of you as they can. Sakurai will make Brawl exactly how it should be when it's first released.

 

[Killer Tree]

Downloadable content is a terrible idea anyway. It's just a scam to cut back the game for release only to make more money on things that should have been on the game in the first place. This is why Microsoft does it, to suck as much money out of you as they can. Sakurai will make Brawl exactly how it should be when it's first released.

Um you are FAR from the truth. Games have a thing called a DEADLINE. They don't have infinite time to work on smash. They could add characters they didn't have time to add.




Anyways. Since the Wii doesn't have a hard drive. It probably won't have DL content.

I really wish the Wii was $300 with a hard drive. It totally would have been worth it. Hopefully nintendo will get it right with the system after Wii.

 

[the grim lizard]

Um you are FAR from the truth. Games have a thing called a DEADLINE. They don't have infinite time to work on smash. They could add characters they didn't have time to add.

No, you are FAR from the truth. You obviously don't know how Microsoft works. They just pump cash out of people. And hellooo deadlines get pushed back all the time. You don't release it if it's not ready. To do otherwise...that's to exactly prove my point! They release it even if it's not ready, just so they can make the money. Then...they have the clever scheme to release more on it to make more money off of the game. Do you not understand how businesses work?

Not to mention how wrong you are about Brawl. It's not a rush like Melee. Do you realize how long they've been working on it? Not to mention the fact that it has the same engine as Melee. Why would they make ATs if they didn't have time to program characters? They'd just leave them out. The roster has been set for some time; they don't need more time. They're killing time and trying to please the fans more, and that is why they are adding so much new stuff right now. Delaying the game a few months like they did instead of making you pay to download this stuff is far better. Besides, Sakurai will have all the the characters in that he wants in. So, even if the DL content was possible, it wouldn't happen. Plus it'd be stupid for everyone to have to buy new characters just so everyone would have them all available. It would make tournaments a nightmare.

 

[hectichobo]

Stop Fighting on my thread... Make a fighting about downloadable content thread for that...

 

[hectichobo]

Well obiously its gona be down to the blue guy and the dragon... Ugh... I saw this coming...

 

[hectichobo]

No, you are FAR from the truth. You obviously don't know how Microsoft works. They just pump cash out of people. And hellooo deadlines get pushed back all the time. You don't release it if it's not ready. To do otherwise...that's to exactly prove my point! They release it even if it's not ready, just so they can make the money. Then...they have the clever scheme to release more on it to make more money off of the game. Do you not understand how businesses work?

Not to mention how wrong you are about Brawl. It's not a rush like Melee. Do you realize how long they've been working on it? Not to mention the fact that it has the same engine as Melee. Why would they make ATs if they didn't have time to program characters? They'd just leave them out. The roster has been set for some time; they don't need more time. They're killing time and trying to please the fans more, and that is why they are adding so much new stuff right now. Delaying the game a few months like they did instead of making you pay to download this stuff is far better. Besides, Sakurai will have all the the characters in that he wants in. So, even if the DL content was possible, it wouldn't happen. Plus it'd be stupid for everyone to have to buy new characters just so everyone would have them all available. It would make tournaments a nightmare.

I just have to fight back... Its instinct... You idiot!!! It's nintendo... Not Microsoft... Thats who makes Xbox's you idiot!!!! AndI'm also agreeing with you... Downloadable content is so that they get money. They could put it on the real game if they felt like it... But if they did that they would get like 10Million Dollars sucked out of them... And then the next game by Nintendo would be 10Million Dollars worse...

 

[Killer Tree]

No, you are FAR from the truth. You obviously don't know how Microsoft works. They just pump cash out of people. And hellooo deadlines get pushed back all the time. You don't release it if it's not ready. To do otherwise...that's to exactly prove my point! They release it even if it's not ready, just so they can make the money. Then...they have the clever scheme to release more on it to make more money off of the game. Do you not understand how businesses work?

Not to mention how wrong you are about Brawl. It's not a rush like Melee. Do you realize how long they've been working on it? Not to mention the fact that it has the same engine as Melee. Why would they make ATs if they didn't have time to program characters? They'd just leave them out. The roster has been set for some time; they don't need more time. They're killing time and trying to please the fans more, and that is why they are adding so much new stuff right now. Delaying the game a few months like they did instead of making you pay to download this stuff is far better. Besides, Sakurai will have all the the characters in that he wants in. So, even if the DL content was possible, it wouldn't happen. Plus it'd be stupid for everyone to have to buy new characters just so everyone would have them all available. It would make tournaments a nightmare.

I stopped reading after the first sentance.

Microsoft loses hundreds of dollars off every 360 sold.
Nintendo makes a profit for every Wii sold.


There goes your biased "pumping cash" theory.

 

[the grim lizard]

I stopped reading after the first sentance.

Well, thanks. :bigthumbu That's a good way to show you're wrong.

And again, if you think Microsoft is losing money, you prove you know nothing about economics.

 

[TheSpindoctor]

I think it would be sweet!

 

[EvolveOrDie]

I'm not going to address that whole issue but on the nature of downloadable characters I'm just going to have to say, No.

Ideally, I want downloadable characters, to be able to add new fresh characters to a fighting games line-up would be great but it introduces one terrible problem. If you can add new characters you can change existing characters. Take SSBM if through popular consent yoshi had been altered to have different properties on his attacks some people would rejoice others would be angry. It doesn't seem so bad till you realize that where do you draw the line do you stop the reflector from hurting people can Samus no longer bomb recovery. The dilemma it leaves with a fighting game where the characters make the game is that you can't say they game is ever complete if you can alter or add to the existing roster.

 

[Killer Tree]

Well, thanks. :bigthumbu That's a good way to show you're wrong.

And again, if you think Microsoft is losing money, you prove you know nothing about economics.

Think before you post.

http://businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2005/tc20051122_410710.htm


Microsoft has LOST alot of money through Xbox. NOT gained.

No, you are FAR from the truth. You obviously don't know how Microsoft works. They just pump cash out of people. And hellooo deadlines get pushed back all the time. You don't release it if it's not ready. To do otherwise...that's to exactly prove my point! They release it even if it's not ready, just so they can make the money. Then...they have the clever scheme to release more on it to make more money off of the game. Do you not understand how businesses work?

Not to mention how wrong you are about Brawl. It's not a rush like Melee. Do you realize how long they've been working on it? Not to mention the fact that it has the same engine as Melee. Why would they make ATs if they didn't have time to program characters? They'd just leave them out. The roster has been set for some time; they don't need more time. They're killing time and trying to please the fans more, and that is why they are adding so much new stuff right now. Delaying the game a few months like they did instead of making you pay to download this stuff is far better. Besides, Sakurai will have all the the characters in that he wants in. So, even if the DL content was possible, it wouldn't happen. Plus it'd be stupid for everyone to have to buy new characters just so everyone would have them all available. It would make tournaments a nightmare.

K i read your post.


Yes I do know how long they have been developing the game.

When it comes out they will have developed the game for about 2 years since development started in late 2005. So it is probably developed the same amount of time as smash bros melee

http://wii.ign.com/articles/673/673532p1.html

 

[the grim lizard]

Think before you post.

http://businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2005/tc20051122_410710.htm


Microsoft has LOST alot of money through Xbox. NOT gained.

Try thinking before you post:

"Not to worry, the profit is in the associated software"
It's in the headline...

You lose at the internet. Even if it has been developed as long as Melee...they had to completely redo the engine, redid a lot of characters' moves that were returning (not to mention the new ones), add new techniques, and still got 26 characters and 29 stages. Brawl will not have that problem.

 

[Pegasus Knight]

It doesn't seem so bad till you realize that where do you draw the line do you stop the reflector from hurting people can Samus no longer bomb recovery. The dilemma it leaves with a fighting game where the characters make the game is that you can't say they game is ever complete if you can alter or add to the existing roster.

That's very pessimistic. But since you asked 'Where do you draw the line?' Play data. We have five years of play data on Melee. We could make a very intelligent balance patch for it today if we had the resources, inclination, and market for it. Or rather, Nintendo could. Five years is enough to know Marth, Shiek, Fox, Falco, and Peach are a tad too good, and Bowser, Kirby, etc. are a little too weak. We even know the specifics on why these characters are too good or too bad, in many cases.

Let's assume we somehow do get the ability to download balance patches, roster updates, etc. for Brawl. Sakurai probably isn't going to be a knee-jerk developer who throws out balance patches every three days, constantly keeping people off-balance and unable to develop a meaningful mastery of their character. Instead, perhaps he'd do a balance patch every 6 months. Or once a year. Or some other lengthy interval, until the game is very well balanced.*

This is something I'm noticing a lot of, in general. Rather than looking at how a concept could be made to work, people seem quick to insist 'No, it will never work because of X, Y, and Z' - rather than how to possibly solve X, Y, and see if Z is truly even a problem or not.

*: It will never be PERFECTLY balanced, inherently by design. Pong and Karate Champ are two of the few perfectly balanced games I know of, and both are boring. But there's still room to improve. Ideally Brawl would end up as "Very Well Balanced" after no more than two balance patches.

 

[the grim lizard]

Pegasus, that's because the same ideas have been proposed at least once a week, every week, for the past two years...

We've heard them all, considered them, and most people are smart enough to know why something won't work.

 

[Killer Tree]

Try thinking before you post:

"Not to worry, the profit is in the associated software"
It's in the headline...

You lose at the internet. Even if it has been developed as long as Melee...they had to completely redo the engine, redid a lot of characters' moves that were returning (not to mention the new ones), add new techniques, and still got 26 characters and 29 stages. Brawl will not have that problem.

-_-


That's microsofts PLAN. So far they have lost millions and maybe Billions.

Are you saying if they had another year they wouldn't add more characters since time is not a problem?

YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR