Neutral Spike

[LordDagron]

I've not been maining Marth for very long but I thought this might be a good move to use. For this move you SHUFFL, down air, and spike your opponent. It's pretty hard to pull off. I'd like to try and get the frame data for it and thoughts on its practicality in competitive play.

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

SHFFL what? Dsmash usually is not a good option, so I'm not so sure about this.

 

[FE_Hector]

If you land dsmash, it's probably because your opponent messed up, to be honest. If you can spike after that... wow the DI necessary. I don't think it's possible/viable at all, but if you could be more specific I could give a more guaranteed answer.

 

[Link24a]

I think he means down air

 

[pokio55]

Can we get a gyfy? If this even is possible
I could see it with the 2nd hit of down smash but i'm not even too sure what angle the 2nd hit sends the opponent to.

 

[FE_Hector]

@ Link24a Sounded to me like he meant to do tipper dsmash into dair.

 

[-ACE-]

You won't be combo'ing anyone after dsmash.

I'm with link24a, I think the op just discovered dair.

 

[LordDagron]

I meant down air, I edited my previous post. So just hit them with that and try to combo with it.

 

[FE_Hector]

Do you just mean like a SHFFL dair as an approach so you then have the opportunity to techchase and hopefully start a combo?

 

[Link24a]

It's kinda a thing...?

 

[FE_Hector]

It's kinda a thing...?

Maybe...? IDK cuz even if you L-Cancel it's like 11 frames landlag on dair.

 

[Link24a]

Maybe...? IDK cuz even if you L-Cancel it's like 11 frames landlag on dair.

It's actually 16...

Not ideal but works for tech chasing (mango loves it for some reason) and can actually start some combos, though they have a very small percent window and usually are for fast fallers.

I just use whatever aerial will get me the 13 damage at any time

 

[LordDagron]

It probably wouldn't be as useful for an approach, maybe as a punish.

 

[FE_Hector]

Not exactly even then. Unless you're spiking to KO, the only use you may have for dair would be punishing somebody who got really greedy. You can dair them to force them back down to the ground and hopefully discourage them.