Ness-Samus Matchup

[TheMagistrate]

Lately, I've been having a serious amount of difficulty against opponents playing Samus. Whether its trying to combo utilts or uairs Samus always seems to be able to "refresh" before i can continue. Any tips with the matchup?

 

[asianaussie]

if something that normally works does not work (ie. exactly what you're describing), then adapt a little - this is universal to every matchup in every head to head game

instead of linking that next u-air or u-tilt, try for a d-air > techchase

 

[TheMagistrate]

if something that normally works does not work (ie. exactly what you're describing), then adapt a little - this is universal to every matchup in every head to head game

instead of linking that next u-air or u-tilt, try for a d-air > techchase

its almost like i can't even get two utilts off...is this exclusive to samus? she feels floaty like jiggs when i catch her in the tilt.

 

[asianaussie]

samus is very heavy and also very floaty, meaning she'll 'wake up' from hitstun a lot sooner than you think she will

im sure there's a reasonable technical explanation, but you can just think of it as her being harder to juggle

 

[TheMagistrate]

samus is very heavy and also very floaty, meaning she'll 'wake up' from hitstun a lot sooner than you think she will

im sure there's a reasonable technical explanation, but you can just think of it as her being harder to juggle

precisely! this is the ultimate paradox! i don't play a lot of good Samuses either, so the matchup is weird, but I cannot for the life of me combo her and it p***es me off to no end. Trying to space with DJC bairs and dairs works, but as i said looking for the utilt>uair combo seems impossible.

 

[asianaussie]

u-tilt to u-air works, just don't expect to get four or five u-tilts like you would with dk or link

as for u-air juggling, i wouldn't want to risk being counterhit by d-air, or even trading, because samus' d-air is pretty big

 

[ciaza]

samus is one of the easiest characters to fair/nair chain on, so learn to do those on her

 

[TheMagistrate]

samus is one of the easiest characters to fair/nair chain on, so learn to do those on her

any tips of getting the z cancel on the fair? i've been trying to get a little rhythm going with the djc fair>fair, but theyre very hard.

 

[ballin4life]

practice a lot to get fair chains down

i hate the ness samus matchup btw - even though i can do fair chains pretty well samus just out ranges ness so i never can get a combo started

 

[weedwack]

I feel like you should have learned how to do fair combos against samus before you decided to get a ness tattoo..

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

uair will beat any of samus' aerials

coming above on platforms with dair works too

 

[TheMagistrate]

I feel like you should have learned how to do fair combos against samus before you decided to get a ness tattoo..

i don't have a ness tattoo...that is just an image.


--also, i actually had attempted to change it today, but forgot that changing the profile picture didn't change the "avatar photo."

nonetheless, a bit off topic.

 

[weedwack]

jus jestin'. it did kinda look like a tattoo, which would have been hilarious.

BACK ON TOPIC very important to be patient against samus. Both ness and samus are mostly defensive/reactionary characters, with samus' advantage being range and ness' being priority. approach sporadically. space mostly with djc uairs. use utilt sparingly. space grabs when shes at high percents and experiment with pk thunder edgeguarding tactics.

 

[The Star King]

u-tilt to u-air works, just don't expect to get four or five u-tilts like you would with dk or link

as for u-air juggling, i wouldn't want to risk being counterhit by d-air, or even trading, because samus' d-air is pretty big

>counterhit

Also don't underestimate dat invincible head bro. Ness's uair beats like everything from below, and that includes Samus's dair. If Samus is short hop happy you can get under her with a djc uair.

If Samus is more grounded, and pivot fsmashy (which is how I play the MU as Samus), then you might want to use dair from above to get at her, or OVERSHOOT REVERSE DJC RUSH bair/dair maybe.

Ness has the advantage in this matchup IMO, though not a large one

practice a lot to get fair chains down

i hate the ness samus matchup btw - even though i can do fair chains pretty well samus just out ranges ness so i never can get a combo started

Well I hope you aren't approaching with the fairs themselves. I'm not good at fair chains myself but I guess the best opportunities would be after a lowish-mid percent dair pops them up, or on a tech.

 

[asianaussie]

>counterhit

i havent played smash in weeks and i've been playing melty blood on a near daily basis, shush

If Samus is more grounded, and pivot fsmashy (which is how I play the MU as Samus), then you might want to use dair from above to get at her, or OVERSHOOT REVERSE DJC RUSH bair/dair maybe.

dont tell everybody the SECRET NESS SPACING TECHNIQUE :O

pivot fsmash is like, samus's best non-B move

 

[King Funk]

If you really want to do the z-canceled combos, I suggest mashing/buffering z during your aerials. Mashing your z-cancels is not a bad idea at first when learning combos, but I recommend learning the actual timing at some point.

 

[TheMagistrate]

>counterhit

Also don't underestimate dat invincible head bro. Ness's uair beats like everything from below, and that includes Samus's dair. If Samus is short hop happy you can get under her with a djc uair.

If Samus is more grounded, and pivot fsmashy (which is how I play the MU as Samus), then you might want to use dair from above to get at her, or OVERSHOOT REVERSE DJC RUSH bair/dair maybe.

Ness has the advantage in this matchup IMO, though not a large one



Well I hope you aren't approaching with the fairs themselves. I'm not good at fair chains myself but I guess the best opportunities would be after a lowish-mid percent dair pops them up, or on a tech.

what about her upb?

 

[The Star King]

What are you asking? Also your signature led to me accidentally read old tier list posts and a ton of posts there gave me cancer, why did I put myself through that

 

[ciaza]

the only thing i took out of those old posts was that:

- **** everything about antidifferentiation
- ShootingStar and cheeseball341 are better nicknames that your current respective ones
- ballin has come so, so far:

Noob combo imo. True pros weak bair or fair -> nair/dair yo (or maybe even fsmash?) [talking about kirby]

seeing as now ending that combo in fsmash is like basic lol

 

[WOTG]

If shes above you uair will beat her attacks all the time if timed right. Becareful when approaching head on, samus players will typically try to pivot fsmash or bair, some will even retreat with down b. Approaching with any aerial works, fair is most risky. Grab a lot. Dont use upsmash. Uptilt works sometimes. Nair ***** her recovery at high percents otherwise just use downsmash. PK fire works if ur good at it.

 

[RickySSB]

OVERSHOOT REVERSE DJC RUSH bair/dair maybe

^^ This. Just Spam Dair like a dumb.

For Samus, just Bair and Dair defense. Any mistake and you will eat an short hop Dair.

 

[WOTG]

Screw you guys. I try to post some explanatory advice, and you all just want to keep it simple.

 

[The Star King]

Nair ***** her recovery at high percents otherwise just use downsmash.

I would just dair her lol

 

[WOTG]

i think thats risky...

 

[TheMagistrate]

What are you asking? Also your signature led to me accidentally read old tier list posts and a ton of posts there gave me cancer, why did I put myself through that

When I'm beginning to catch her in a dair, i typically get caught in the upb, di out and it starts all over again.

If shes above you uair will beat her attacks all the time if timed right. Becareful when approaching head on, samus players will typically try to pivot fsmash or bair, some will even retreat with down b. Approaching with any aerial works, fair is most risky. Grab a lot. Dont use upsmash. Uptilt works sometimes. Nair ***** her recovery at high percents otherwise just use downsmash. PK fire works if ur good at it.

yes, i seem to get caught by the pivot fsmash when i least expect it.

 

[The Star King]

i think thats risky...

Not if it's GUARANTEED (do it on the later part of her up-b)

When I'm beginning to catch her in a dair, i typically get caught in the upb, di out and it starts all over again.

There should be too much stun from dair for that to happen.