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Need help, cannot win a single game

Dedgehog

Smash Rookie
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
11
I've been playing melee seriously about 3 months now. I played Captain Falcon and recently switched to Falco but it does not matter either character I play the same problem occurs. Every single time I play I get destroyed, and I feel like I can't do anything about it. My tech skill is fine, not the best, but good enough to be able to perform combos when I practice on my own, but against real people I don't even get the chance. It seems like the enemy knows everything about me. Almost all my attacks whiff because they wavedash back or roll or counterattack. I get read like a book on all tech chases, and I pretty much get 0-death everytime I get touched. Also, the few times I do manage to get in and get a combo, they always DI the right way out or always use the right edge option to get on the stage. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I try to mix up approaches, I've read articles about the neutral game, and watched countless of youtube videos. I have never felt this stuck before on any game I've ever played, any help or advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 

EmpireCrusher203

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Dec 21, 2015
Messages
79
Location
Florida
3DS FC
3926-7161-9170
LMAO, dude we must be brudders, because I have been playing this game for 5 months. You are asking the same questions I ask myself everyday, why does my neutral suck so goddamn much.
In order to play melee one must understand how to play competitive games. Period. Here i present to you *Play to Win," a great read for those getting into competitive games, like melee. http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/
It's a great read and introduces some concepts that you may find useful n your melee journey. Please read ot, all of it, before you move on.

http://www.meleelibrary.com/#beginner
Next is the Melee library, the holy grail for newcomers, read everything. And I mean fricking EVERYTHING, THIS ISNT A JOKE. EVERYTHING FROM BEGINNER TO TOURNAMENT ORGANIZING. These include helpful links to everything conceptual, technical, and utterly necessary. Everything, even teams and smash theory, thing you may not care about, BUT TRUST ME, READ THEM, WATCH THEM.

Once you read literally everything from the Fundamentals section you are ready to move on to your character main section, in this case, Falco.

Videos to watch:
https://youtu.be/VxthNFJtk64
https://youtu.be/c93Fwem-ngw
https://youtu.be/7RP3sbS7Dm0
https://youtu.be/03qCJ_Ikbho
https://youtu.be/ZkdPVUlrSOo
https://youtu.be/iJG-tvT86WU
https://youtu.be/MOlQv-9S1zE

These a super technical, however super important, videos on melee's mechanics. You will be using these mechanics to your advantage, so you must learn how they function.

READ EVERYTHING, I AM NOT FRICKING PLAYING.

But most importantly, don't lose hope. This game is hard, it takes on average 2 years to become proficient, so PRACTICE HARD AND DON'T LOSE HOPE.

https://youtu.be/AEQ7NTHPSeo
 

KirinKQP

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 31, 2017
Messages
224
Location
ur mom
The simplest answer I can give you is to play against more people and make your own notes as to what works and what doesn't, which should come to you subconsciously with experience. From your description alone you're too predictable and are not great at reading the opponent. I had a similar feeling at my first local tournament. I main Jigglypuff and every Fox I played was too fast and overwhelming with aggression which I fall apart against. There was no time for me to collect my thoughts and everything they did was unstoppable. Sure, I could just "learn the matchup," but that takes a very long time playing against good Fox mains just so I can become proficient at one matchup, when there are also many other matchups I have to be accustomed to at the same time. It is a learning experience you get use to.

Watching YouTube videos and Twitch vods about what combos work at certain percents or what to do under certain situations seems pointless. I use to think that if I watch Hungrybox videos I would become a Jigglypuff master and be able to out-space everything and edge-guard a Fox Top players know what is safe and what is not and avoid them. Keep in mind, there aren't many players who are at the top level of play in most local tournaments. Most of the players don't have the complete grasp of all of their follow up options, how to read and when the optimal time to punish is. All and all, everyone makes mistakes and you have to wait for them, you have to learn what a person does wrong and beat them up for it. You have to also keep in mind of your own mistakes and make a strong effort to avoid them and use a different option (A.K.A. a mixup in simpler terms). "You don't have time to think. Because if you think, you're dead." Though you have to keep in mind of your actions, it is really tough to make plans in the midst of the high speed combat.

One final thing, don't play a match and have a losing mind-set or have the fear of failure then hope your opponent is gonna make a grave mistake. Sure, you don't want to lose, but you should aim to win. If you want to improve, play matches with the mindset to improve. If you go to a tournament you should intend to win, so have the mindset that you will win while not letting it get to your head. If you're having trouble identifying your problems, you can also get real time advice on this website/ Start recording your matches on a camera or phone and upload them on to a thread here and ask for advice. The community is always willing to talk and give their opinion which is valuable because some people on this website actually know what they are talking about.
 
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Dedgehog

Smash Rookie
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
11
Thanks for the advice guys. I'll take the time and go through the articles, and probably record some netplay matches and ask for advice on those. I knew this game was hard and I knew that I would not win games immediately, but man the learning curve for this game is VERY steep.
 

EmpireCrusher203

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Dec 21, 2015
Messages
79
Location
Florida
3DS FC
3926-7161-9170
It is but hang in there. what i live about this game is that there is always room for improvement, meaning that i can always find something to train on.
 
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