!MySmash's (realistic) character list! *open for debate/feedback!*

[MySmash]

This is my first serious attempt at a roster...hope everyone likes it!



Mario Series

1) Mario: Confirmed

2) Luigi: A veteran from the last two games, Mario's older brother has to be in Brawl.

3) Peach: Confirmed

4) Bowser: Confirmed

5) Bowser Jr: I personally am not a fan of this character in the slightest, however given his recent appearences in games and cameo in Galaxy...he has a pretty good chance.

Zelda Series

1) Link: Confirmed

2) Zelda: Confirmed

3) Ganondorf: Now that the developers have more time to work on the game, the King of Evil should have an updated ToP look and a new set of moves!

4) Young Link/ WW Link: I think changing YL to his cel-shaded counterpart would be an incredible move considering the new moveset they could give him.

*Sheik has been cut on my list

Pokemon Series

1) Pikachu: Confirmed

2) Pokemon Trainer: Confirmed

3) Jigglypuff: Smash veteran that has a unique moveset. Keep her in.

4) Mewtwo: Another Smash veteran who I believe deserves another chance. With the possibly of an amazing moveset, I am excited about this one.

5) Lucario: Five pokemon reps is a strech, but considering how wildly popular Lucario is and his natural look as a fighter, I wouldn't count him out.

Starfox Series

1) Fox: Confirmed

2) Falco/Wolf: I think whoever earns this spot will be a Luigi-type clone of Fox. Just a thought.

3) Krystal: Eh, not crazy about this one, but given her popularity and the combination of another female rep and a unique moveset...she has a very high chance.

Kirby Series

1) Kirby: Confirmed

2) Meta-Knight: Confirmed

3) King Dedede: THE most highly requested character on the poll! A villian rep and a fan favorite...the king will get his due in Brawl. I beg them.

Donkey Kong Series

1) Donkey Kong: Confirmed

2) Diddy Kong: Confirmed

* I think K.K Rool will be a boss

Fire Emblem Series

1) Ike: Confirmed

2) Marth: I may be padding Marth a bit, considering he was my main, but being the face of FE gives him the edge over Roy.

3) Black Knight: The best FE series villian. If not playable, will most certainly be a boss.

Metroid Series

1) Samus/ZSS: Confirmed

2) Ridley: A unique challenge to design for Brawl, however given the immense popularity of Ridley all over the world, the need of another Metroid rep, and another villian...it would be hard NOT to put him in.

* I think Dark Samus will be a boss.

Mother Series

1) Lucas: Confirmed

2) Claus: Wishful thinking. Another villian rep.

3) Ness: He will return. Luigified clone or new moveset.

Other Series

1) Wario: Confirmed

2) Yoshi: Confirmed

3) Captain Falcon: A beloved Smash veteran. I don't think the captain is going anywhere.

4) Captain Olimar: Another challenge to design. However, Pikmin needs a rep and frankly there just isn't anyone better. VERY unique moveset.

5) Animal Crosser: Given the interview and the screenshots of Smashville, I would say AC is pretty much a given. Uses tools and stuff.

Retro Series

1) Pit: Confirmed (Awesome)

2) Ice-Climbers: Confirmed

3) MR G&W: I think he will be back. Probably the most uniquw character in Melee.

4) Little Mac: I thought about this for a long time and I came to the conclusion that a moveset might be challenging, but Little Mac is the PERFECT character to round off the retro classics.

Third Party

1) Snake: Confirmed

2) Sonic: This depends on a lot of factors...but I think Sakurai knows how important this character is to a lot of people. Rabid fans everywhere!

3) Geno: Love him or hate him, Geno is truly one of the most loved characters ever produced (partly) by Nintendo. I'm not sure how much trouble N would have to go through to get the rights, but if there is anyone they will go out on a limb for, it is Geno.


Final Results

41 characters!

 

[OddCrow]

well...it's far from the worst one I've seen...but <_>

No Sheik, Black Night in, Ness & Lucas = Rock w/hat & SAME rock w/blond hair instead of hat, AC'er is an avatar not a nintendo allstar, dump Claus for King K. Rool. I also think either Stafy or Sukapon will make it, not Little Mac.

 

[Chidosengan]

Mario's the older by the way.

 

[axemangx]

What about Sukapon?

 

[MyBurden]

I almost fully agree with this, nice job, looks realistic and not some fan only naming characters they want in. Personally I don't think Little Mac is getting in, and 1 or 2 unpredicted or WTF characters might come along(Like Red), but besides that this looks pretty solid.

 

[pcamtz]

Pretty good list, but I was thinking (wishfully, that is) that Geno may be counting as a Mario characther, so I'd say drop Bowser Jr. and add Megaman as third party. Also I'd take Little Mac and add Sukapon. I'm still not convinced by WW Link, I'd much prefer Midna or WolfLink-Midna combo instead. Finally, since I'm not that much of a FE fan, King K. Rool instead of Black Knight seems like a fair exchange.

Anyway, the 40 character limit doesn't seem right for me, IMO 45 char. would be perfect. And remember that Sakurai always has something that no one can ever predict (I'm looking at YOU game and watch)

 

[Dragonblader1]

I also almost agree with this but... Bowser Jr. I don't think will be in. Little Mac niether. And also 5 reps is not a stretch for Mario, in fact I doubt you know that Pokémon is the second best selling game franchise worldwide. Mario being the first. But I think Mario could use one more rep than Pokémon being Nintendo's flagship series. Also Geno would be a Mario rep due to Sakurai considering first party. So you should put in another 3rd party, Megaman perhaps.

 

[Odlanier]

Balloon Fighter>Little Mac, due to the fact(rumor?) that he was going to be in SSBM, and we had his music and trophy
Falco>Wolf, due to the fact that he's a veteran and a different species from the other SF reps (that is, he isn't a canine)
Micahiah>Blavk Knight, due to double X chromosomes (I mean, I doubt Sakurai would only put 1 new female in [Krystal])
Young Link(Normal)>Young Link(cel-shaded), due to the fact that everyone else is in TP Graphics. Young Link could still have a new moveset w/o being cel-shaded.
Other than that, Great job.

 

[tmanneopets]

Well, I agree for the most part. except Stafy replaces Little Mac, Midna w/ Wolf Link is replacing WW Link, Claus is out and is going to be replaced by another character, as well as Game and Watch being replaced by Sukapon or Balloon Fighter.

 

[error_alt_delete]

what no megaman? whats wrong with this picture...

 

[Metalknux]

This is my first serious attempt at a roster...hope everyone likes it!



Mario Series

1) Mario: Confirmed

2) Luigi: A veteran from the last two games, Mario's older brother has to be in Brawl.

3) Peach: Confirmed

4) Bowser: Confirmed

5) Bowser Jr: I personally am not a fan of this character in the slightest, however given his recent appearences in games and cameo in Galaxy...he has a pretty good chance.

Zelda Series

1) Link: Confirmed

2) Zelda: Confirmed

3) Ganondorf: Now that the developers have more time to work on the game, the King of Evil should have an updated ToP look and a new set of moves!

4) Young Link/ WW Link: I think changing YL to his cel-shaded counterpart would be an incredible move considering the new moveset they could give him.

*Sheik has been cut on my list

Pokemon Series

1) Pikachu: Confirmed

2) Pokemon Trainer: Confirmed

3) Jigglypuff: Smash veteran that has a unique moveset. Keep her in.

4) Mewtwo: Another Smash veteran who I believe deserves another chance. With the possibly of an amazing moveset, I am excited about this one.

5) Lucario: Five pokemon reps is a strech, but considering how wildly popular Lucario is and his natural look as a fighter, I wouldn't count him out.

Starfox Series

1) Fox: Confirmed

2) Falco/Wolf: I think whoever earns this spot will be a Luigi-type clone of Fox. Just a thought.

3) Krystal: Eh, not crazy about this one, but given her popularity and the combination of another female rep and a unique moveset...she has a very high chance.

Kirby Series

1) Kirby: Confirmed

2) Meta-Knight: Confirmed

3) King Dedede: THE most highly requested character on the poll! A villian rep and a fan favorite...the king will get his due in Brawl. I beg them.

Donkey Kong Series

1) Donkey Kong: Confirmed

2) Diddy Kong: Confirmed

* I think K.K Rool will be a boss

Fire Emblem Series

1) Ike: Confirmed

2) Marth: I may be padding Marth a bit, considering he was my main, but being the face of FE gives him the edge over Roy.

3) Black Knight: The best FE series villian. If not playable, will most certainly be a boss.

Metroid Series

1) Samus/ZSS: Confirmed

2) Ridley: A unique challenge to design for Brawl, however given the immense popularity of Ridley all over the world, the need of another Metroid rep, and another villian...it would be hard NOT to put him in.

* I think Dark Samus will be a boss.

Mother Series

1) Lucas: Confirmed

2) Claus: Wishful thinking. Another villian rep.

3) Ness: He will return. Luigified clone or new moveset.

Other Series

1) Wario: Confirmed

2) Yoshi: Confirmed

3) Captain Falcon: A beloved Smash veteran. I don't think the captain is going anywhere.

4) Captain Olimar: Another challenge to design. However, Pikmin needs a rep and frankly there just isn't anyone better. VERY unique moveset.

5) Animal Crosser: Given the interview and the screenshots of Smashville, I would say AC is pretty much a given. Uses tools and stuff.

Retro Series

1) Pit: Confirmed (Awesome)

2) Ice-Climbers: Confirmed

3) MR G&W: I think he will be back. Probably the most uniquw character in Melee.

4) Little Mac: I thought about this for a long time and I came to the conclusion that a moveset might be challenging, but Little Mac is the PERFECT character to round off the retro classics.

Third Party

1) Snake: Confirmed

2) Sonic: This depends on a lot of factors...but I think Sakurai knows how important this character is to a lot of people. Rabid fans everywhere!

3) Geno: Love him or hate him, Geno is truly one of the most loved characters ever produced (partly) by Nintendo. I'm not sure how much trouble N would have to go through to get the rights, but if there is anyone they will go out on a limb for, it is Geno.


Final Results

41 characters!

Mario is older than Luigi. Luigi's just taller.

 

[crush_T_asain]

I agreee with everything here execpt for younglink/ww dont think he should be in and of mewtwo i dont think mewtwo should be back in ify about mac after that your on the same page as me

 

[NukeA6]

All these character lists are becoming too similar.

 

[Pieman0920]

Mario Series: Good. I had no idea Bowser Jr. got into Galaxy too. Really his chances are looking good. :O

Zelda Series: Nope, the problem here is it went down in characters from last time. You have to add someone else, even it's just Sheik. =/

Pokemon Series: This is always the hard one, isn't it? I'm fine with this set up, though mine would be different.

Star Fox Series: Pick a side, we're at war. >8U

Kirby Series: Good, but you have to remember that despite him being highly requested, Dedede has one crippling problem, that being Sakurai himself. :O

Donkey Kong Series: Good.

Fire Emblem: Black Knight would be a clone or a alt suit, and not a boss if he's not one of those. Really though, Micaiah's a much better choice here.

Metroid Series: Good. But you should understand, that most bosses won't be humanoid and human sized while at the same time not being playable. (And Metroid has a good deal of more epic bosses to use, including Kraid or Metroid Prime itself) =/

Earthbound Series: Nope, it won't be that much. It's probably the case that we're only getting Lucas. Ness is a stretch at this point, but three is just to much.

Others: Good

Retro: Woo Little Mac! :O

Third Party: I don't get why people don't see how unlikely Geno is...but if he got in, I wouldn't complain.

 

[Shuma]

The Black Knight is a better choice than Micaiah, He IS the only possible Villain for a PC. Micaiah can be in if Marth is out and Sigurd doesn't make it. Otherwise i doubt we'll get 4 FE reps.

 

[MySmash]

Little Mac: I thought there would be a lot more supporters for him...I still think he would be a perfect retro character for brawl.

* I do want Starfy in

Black Knight: Honestly, I don't know much about FE but I picked him over M just because he was a villian rep.

K.K. Rool: In my opinion, I really don't think he has a shot besides being a boss.

Zelda: Alright, I may add another character.

Third Party: If Geno is first party then I will replace him on this list with Megaman (original).

I have no idea who Sukapon is...if someone would explain who it is?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Little Mac: I thought there would be a lot more supporters for him...I still think he would be a perfect retro character for brawl.

* I do want Starfy in

Black Knight: Honestly, I don't know much about FE but I picked him over M just because he was a villian rep.

K.K. Rool: In my opinion, I really don't think he has a shot besides being a boss.

Zelda: Alright, I may add another character.

Third Party: If Geno is first party then I will replace him on this list with Megaman (original).

I have no idea who Sukapon is...if someone would explain who it is?

Sukapon is the first, fluid modernized fighter game character that Nintendo created...It would be like a homage to fighting games on the Nintendo system...

Geno should count more as a Mario character than 3rd party...It's complicated though

 

[WuTangDude]

Uh, No Megaman? Huh?

Besides that, a great list.

 

[Shuma]

But Geno IS third party... isn't it?

 

[Dragonblader1]

Little Mac: I thought there would be a lot more supporters for him...I still think he would be a perfect retro character for brawl.

* I do want Starfy in

Black Knight: Honestly, I don't know much about FE but I picked him over M just because he was a villian rep.

K.K. Rool: In my opinion, I really don't think he has a shot besides being a boss.

Zelda: Alright, I may add another character.

Third Party: If Geno is first party then I will replace him on this list with Megaman (original).

I have no idea who Sukapon is...if someone would explain who it is?

If you need to know why Sakurai considers Geno first party it's because even though he's from Square Enix he was use in the Mario script making in a special situation in which Square Enix can't refuse if Nintendo wants to use him. And they'd definately wanna have Geno in Brawl since they'd technically make money for him. And otherwise they CAN'T make money since THEY can't even use him.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

But Geno IS third party... isn't it?

Yes, but it's more complicated than that...there is a way Sakurai could add Geno plus the 1-2 other 3rd party because he considers him part of the nintendo world...specifically Mario world.

 

[MySmash]

I see...sort of like Mr. G&W. Thanks PI, you always seem to be there to answer my many questions. Bomberman is one of my most wanted characters as well.

I assumed Geno was third party. If anyone has confirmation otherwise i'll move him to the Mario series and put Megaman in third party.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I see...sort of like Mr. G&W. Thanks PI, you always seem to be there to answer my many questions. Bomberman is one of my most wanted characters as well.

I assumed Geno was third party. If anyone has confirmation otherwise i'll move him to the Mario series and put Megaman in third party.

Well, technically he is a Mario character with ownership within Square...It's more like 1.5-2.5 ish party...some weird number...Geno is the most complicated and controversal of all character because of his ownership

 

[MySmash]

If Geno is somewhere between first and third party, I think his chances have increased rather than decreased.

 

[Shuma]

Not Really, even if he's parth of the Mario World, He IS owned by Square, so he IS still third party. The only way i can see him making it in, is if Square just gives him to Nintendo. For free. Of course, IIRC he already appeared in another Game, so maybe Nintendo owns him. ANd if it does, then i see no problem with him appearing in BRawl.

 

[Pieman0920]

The Black Knight is a better choice than Micaiah, He IS the only possible Villain for a PC. Micaiah can be in if Marth is out and Sigurd doesn't make it. Otherwise i doubt we'll get 4 FE reps.

Technically no. It's unlikely that any other FE villain would make it in, but it's always possible. But really, due to Black Knight having so little that distinguishes him from Ike, he's best suited for a clone or alt suit. Same basic sword, and trained by the same guy. Heck, it'd be wrong for them not to get the same moves. Micaiah though is completely different from most of the other FE canidates, including the three ones that have been playable. She'd also be right there in time to promote FE10 when it is released internationally, which the BK couldn't do half as well. =/

 

[Zevox]

The Black Knight is a better choice than Micaiah, He IS the only possible Villain for a PC.

Hate to tell you, but not only does that not make him a better choice, its the chief reason why hes unlikely to be in. Fire Emblem is not like most other video game series - it changes characters with almost every game, heroes and villains alike. This gives it a very wide selection of characters for a game like SSB. Now, much as some may like to see villains in the game, it is both logical and supported by the game's history that heroes take precedent before villains of their games. It is logical because heroes almost always (and certainly always in Fire Emblem) play a more important role to their games villains - they are, by definition, the main character(s), the central focus of the game's story - and because, partially as a side-effect of that, they're almost always more popular and beloved, and thus more recognizable, than the villains.

The support from the game's history should be fairly obvious, but I'll spell it out anyway. In the first SSB game, there were no villains whatsoever, not even Bowser, and yet two games had two characters, and in both instances they were two heroes - Mario and Luigi and Pikachu and Jigglypuff. Move on to Melee, and you have two (arguably three) villains, out of twenty-six distinct characters. Whats more, take a look at the characters from the series those villains were taken from. Bowser was in from Mario's, true, but in addition to him two heroes from the same series were added. Ganondorf's though is perhaps the most telling of all - out of five characters from the Zelda series, he was one of two that had be made clones in order to make it into the game due to the time constraints, and his cloning was utterly nonsensical, since he lacks any relation to the character he was cloned from, which truly shows it was a desperate attempt to get him in. Yet both Zelda and her alter-ego Sheik were given utterly unique moves. Thats a pretty clear indication that both took precedence over Ganondorf in terms of priorities. I think that sends a pretty clear message in that regard.

Now, take this reasoning, and apply it to a series with dozens of mostly equally important heroes to choose from, and what do you arrive at? Simply that all its representatives are highly likely to be its heroes. To overcome them, a villain would need to stand out even among them, and simply put, the Black Knight does not, neither in terms of importance to the series (hes not even the main villain of either of his games, and in the first chiefly exists to give Ike a personal sub-plot of tragedy and revenge) nor in terms of popularity.

Consider also this: as noted, Fire Emblem is a very diverse saga, with new characters almost every game. As you noted, the likely amount of characters for it to receive is three, owing to its immense popularity in Japan but mediocre popularity elsewhere. Does it not seem foolish to add multiple characters from the same game in light of this? To do so would be to represent only a small part of the Fire Emblem series in the game, and not the series as a whole, since unlike with others where all the important characters are present in every game and can thus represent the entire series perfectly adequately, in Fire Emblem the important characters change from game to game. Why, then, use the Black Knight when Ike already represents both games he comes from, and Micaiah can better represent the second if needed? This, incidentally, also makes the "hes Ike's rival" attempt at rationalizing him invalid - that might get him a spot as a subspace emissary boss, but certainly is no feather in his cap when it comes to being playable, owing precisely to the fact that Ike already represents the part of the series he comes from far better than he could.

Incidentally, Black Knight is also not the only potential villain for the series - most any of them would work just as well as he (Lyon of Sacred Stones, Nergal of Blazing Sword, Zephiel of Sword of Seals, etc), some arguably even better actually; Black Knight is simply the only one who has been hyped around here (probably due to being a swordsman rather than a magician and the rather limited view of the series possessed by most of the countries the members of this board come from).

Oh, and before you play the "Sakurai said he wanted more villains" card - if you want to argue using that, give some proof of it, please. I've seen that claim (and its counterpart for females) many times already, but never seen it substantiated, so at this point I'm inclined to believe it to be hyperbole or outright lies which people have come to believe due to wanting to believe it.

Zevox

 

[tmanneopets]

Zevox, you have made quite a point and I agree. I don't play FE, but from my obsessed friend who tells me, the Black Knight would only represent that game, not the series, which would be hard to do, due to the constantly changing main characters.

 

[nobletoast]

Read the DK section. Its why i think K Rool should be in Brawl:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=118915

I've argued his case too much now.

41 is a little short. I think you should add 2 characters from franchises new to Smash. Isaac and Ray 01 from Golden Sun and Custom Robo would be really good choices IMO. And possibly Sukapon instead of Lil Mac for the fourth retro spot.

 

[the grim lizard]

Where have all the mods gone?

 

[Gypsy Lee]

I think they all committed mass suicide after N-Sider forums were closed.

OSMFG Grim posted.

 

[Dragonblader1]

*Insert long post by Zevox here*

I agree. Except Sakurai never said the villain part but he sure did say the females part. It was in his journal. I found his journal on the old Brawl website, I've read a translation of it but it was on Nsider which is dead and my computer can't see Japanese characters... I was going to translate it but can someone point me towards a Japanese Language Pack that I can download.

 

[Xaron Fisk]

Little Mac is not making it. Simply put, he is a horrible choice.

 

[Zevox]

I agree. Except Sakurai never said the villain part but he sure did say the females part. It was in his journal. I found his journal on the old Brawl website, I've read a translation of it but it was on Nsider which is dead and my computer can't see Japanese characters... I was going to translate it but can someone point me towards a Japanese Language Pack that I can download.

The original translations of that are on this site, actually - the NSider ones were merely copied from these boards. [thread=72642]Here[/thread]. I can't seem to find such a quote in it, though.

Zevox

 

[Dragonblader1]

The original translations of that are on this site, actually - the NSider ones were merely copied from these boards. [thread=72642]Here[/thread]. I can't seem to find such a quote in it, though.

Zevox

Oh... really? Except actually most of them were copied from Samurai Panda's Nsider thread. I think I also heard that he was a member here and at game faqs though.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh... really? Except actually most of them were copied from Samurai Panda's Nsider thread. I think I also heard that he was a member here and at game faqs though.

Actually it's the opposite way around...The NSider was copied from Samurai Panda's SWF Thread

 

[Dragonblader1]

Actually it's the opposite way around...The NSider was copied from Samurai Panda's SWF Thread

*Sigh* I meant most of the Nsider threads were copied of Samurai Panda's Nsider thread. He was a member of Nsider.

 

[MySmash]

Little Mac is not making it. Simply put, he is a horrible choice.

Why is he a horrible choice?

 

[Xaron Fisk]

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[Xaron Fisk]

i was messing around. sorry. k im done.