KnnySm3
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I copy/pasted this from my site. Basically, what I'm saying in this wall of text is that everything we percieve to be true is an illusion or a placeholder. 2 + 2 is a concept that we created to understand more than we know. I know I haven't really explained anything too well in this so just ask me if you're confused. It takes some deeper thinking.
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There truly isn't enough time for anything. Not on this world... But it gets me to wondering just why our time here is so limited. For some people, the reality of what goes on in the world is learned in a matter of just a few years and for others, they might go their whole lives before realizing it all. Honestly, only those that are autistic or such are truly oblivious but sadly, I think even they know.
Every day, lives are shattered. Every single day nothing but pure and total, encapacitating misery envelops someone, somewhere on this planet. Every last **** day, someone suffers for nothing. I try to cast myself into ignorance, I truly do. I've gone through some trials in my life but I've long come to terms with them all and I can honestly say that I feel nothing towards my past. I can cope with it. I can move on after all that's happened because it's not the worst that could have happened.
Even as I type this right now, someone is suffering somewhere and all I can do is pray for their souls. But I even noticed that... I don't pray anymore. I'm not sure whether we should trust in God to guide us or take his absence as another reason for us to get up and try and overcome our own ailments. I'm still wondering if someone is faced with something they cannot overcome and pray to God to get them through it, being too weak as they are to overcome it alone and still fail. Was this God's absence or merely a sign? I'm not sure. I don't know.
What I do understand are the occurences and the situations and the thoughts that must be passing through someone's mind as they are faced with their limited decisions, forced to choose a lesser evil.
Even so, this thread ultimately doesn't even matter. Very few are going to open this, much less skim it, and even greater less read it to completion. What are one man's thoughts weighed against the thoughts of billions? In the end, unless you commit suicide, people only care about one thing and one thing only... their very own thoughts.
Everything we percieve and every idea we fabricate is just an illusion. We give ourselves meaning and purpose in life because we need an idea to clinch on to, we fear death because we are uncertain of what is to come, hell we kill each other simply because we don't understand the other's perspective. What do we even hope to achieve by knowing? Honestly, I think that was God's greatest gift to us; ignorance.
With ignorance, anything can be an answer; with an answer, nothing can be a question. And without a question, there is no more meaning. We make our lives more meaningful than they truly are. However, the truth is we are miniscule. The Milky Way is a spect in the universe with the Earth being a greater spect and a single human entity being an even greater spect. In essence, we are nothing. We would have to be round down to zero in order for us to fit on paper in terms of importance to the universe. But we all want to be that 1... We all want to be that 1.
Think about it really hard. Everything significant in your life can be taken down to a single thought. What we perceive and what we accept translates into our emotions. I could be beaten right now with a smile on my face whereas a little girl might cry over spilled ice cream. Our thoughts, our thirst for knowledge is what drives us and compels us to delve deeper and honestly, I don't agree with any of it.
I don't want to know the purpose or meaning of life. What does knowing do for me? It takes away my humanity. Who we are is built on our ignorance and what we do or think to find solutions for that ignorance. And we come up with our own solutions, we all do. If you're still alive, you might have a subconscience answer to your problems and all of life's greatest mysteries. And you could be right or you could be wrong.
Regardless, that is your perception and that is what you believe to be true. There are no truths other than the ones fabricated by our own minds. Honestly, I am curious to know just why God sits back and watches the destruction and inhumanity of Earth each day. The Bible tells us that God is all-knowing but considering things, it didn't say that he enjoyed knowing it all. For all I know, he could be watching Earth as a way to see if there is something better or wrong in his answer for things.
Knowing the truth must hurt. I can't imagine wanting to see the horrificness of Earth as opposed to knowing the truth of all that matters. Is it really that bad? Or is it something simplier still and he finds this to be his meaning... To be an overseer to those that pursue the knowledge he knows. Because really, what is there left for him to do if he can't pursue knowledge any longer?
He wants us to worship him, he wants us to love him above all else, and he wants us to view him as perfect and I think that's all funny. Because my view of perfection means having flaws. So wouldn't it be funny if he was flawed too? The only way I could view him as being "perfect" would be to admit he had flaws as well... And all of those are just perceptions.
You can perceive it to be magnificient or you can perceive it to be ridiculous. Free will gives us the choice to decide our own answers. Everything is nothing more than a mere perception of things. Things have meaning because you give it meaning, things have insignificance because you perceive it to be as such. And I find that the most difficult question I have yet to place an answer on is "Why do I even care?"
I know I should feel blessed because by my standards our ignorance and perception of things are God's greatest gift of all, aside from life itself, and yet I still feel tormented by that one question posed. Why do I even care? And the funnier thing is that those that don't know an answer to any of the questions they have in life are the only ones that are right because every answer ever given by the lips of a human being or his or her mind is a frabrication of perception and acceptance. Those that don't know the answers are right because none of us know anything at all.
We think we know so much and we don't. We think we've explained phenomenon and we haven't. Answers are nothing more than placeholders. Every answer, every single answer in the history of man is a placeholder. Put there simply so we could have something as opposed to nothing. Because with nothing there is no significance and without significance then only death remains.
And there is much more I want to say but I'll close with one perception of my own. I believe I think too much and in all honesty, that's probably one of my greatest flaws of all...
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Originally Posted by commonyoshi
There's a lot of thought here I dont agree with, but I want to say I did read the whole thing. Let's start with your concept of perfection.
Explain your thoughts on perfection meaning imperfection. Because I find it's self defeating. I'll explain why I think you are wrong, and in the paragraph after the next I'll explain where I think your logic messed up.
According to your logic there is no actual thing as perfection, or you are saying that everything is, in fact, perfect because the more imperfect or flawed we are the more perfect we become. But that would just mean as we grow more perfect in that regard we become less perfect at the same time since we need imperfections to make us perfect. It's a never ending cycle. According to your logic, God and Satan are just as perfect or imperfect with each other.
I can see why you would think perfection means imperfection though. It's because humans have no idea of what perfection really means. Imperfection means working towards something higher. Perfection, however, means we can not improve. We are idle and stagnant (in a good way). But the thing about idleness and stagnation, as I already pointed out, is it has negative connotations to it because as humans we do not want to be where they currently are. Humans constantly try to reach the state of perfection because our current state is worthless and resist idleness. So idleness and stagnation, to humans, means no improvement, and as a result it is bad. But idleness and stagnation, if you are perfect, is in itself perfect and good.
In conclusion, I think you've gotten the practice of working toward perfection, which is good, mixed up with the state of actually being good (which implies not having to work, something humans aren't used to and associate with bad).
I propose a counter-theory to your beliefs of what perfection really is. While you may put God under character traits such as that of perfection (or loving, forgiving, and just), I see perfection being a character trait of God. There's a sly difference here, and I hope I'm conveying the point across, but it makes a remarkable difference. All good things are of God. Happiness, love, perfection are all aspects of His character. Things like hate, evil, and imperfection are opposites of God. They are not forces in of themselves much like there is no such thing as coldness, simply an absence of heat. That's where I stand. God is not perfect. Perfection is part of God.
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Originally Posted by KnnySm3
What I merely meant by perfection is that we don't understand what perfection is so something we might view as imperfect might actually be, in fact, a perfect trait. It's simply that we wouldn't believe it or understand it to be true of a perfect trait. But I would have to agree with you on how perfection is a trait only God can have and only something we can strive for.
I copy/pasted this from my site. Basically, what I'm saying in this wall of text is that everything we percieve to be true is an illusion or a placeholder. 2 + 2 is a concept that we created to understand more than we know. I know I haven't really explained anything too well in this so just ask me if you're confused. It takes some deeper thinking.
---
There truly isn't enough time for anything. Not on this world... But it gets me to wondering just why our time here is so limited. For some people, the reality of what goes on in the world is learned in a matter of just a few years and for others, they might go their whole lives before realizing it all. Honestly, only those that are autistic or such are truly oblivious but sadly, I think even they know.
Every day, lives are shattered. Every single day nothing but pure and total, encapacitating misery envelops someone, somewhere on this planet. Every last **** day, someone suffers for nothing. I try to cast myself into ignorance, I truly do. I've gone through some trials in my life but I've long come to terms with them all and I can honestly say that I feel nothing towards my past. I can cope with it. I can move on after all that's happened because it's not the worst that could have happened.
Even as I type this right now, someone is suffering somewhere and all I can do is pray for their souls. But I even noticed that... I don't pray anymore. I'm not sure whether we should trust in God to guide us or take his absence as another reason for us to get up and try and overcome our own ailments. I'm still wondering if someone is faced with something they cannot overcome and pray to God to get them through it, being too weak as they are to overcome it alone and still fail. Was this God's absence or merely a sign? I'm not sure. I don't know.
What I do understand are the occurences and the situations and the thoughts that must be passing through someone's mind as they are faced with their limited decisions, forced to choose a lesser evil.
Even so, this thread ultimately doesn't even matter. Very few are going to open this, much less skim it, and even greater less read it to completion. What are one man's thoughts weighed against the thoughts of billions? In the end, unless you commit suicide, people only care about one thing and one thing only... their very own thoughts.
Everything we percieve and every idea we fabricate is just an illusion. We give ourselves meaning and purpose in life because we need an idea to clinch on to, we fear death because we are uncertain of what is to come, hell we kill each other simply because we don't understand the other's perspective. What do we even hope to achieve by knowing? Honestly, I think that was God's greatest gift to us; ignorance.
With ignorance, anything can be an answer; with an answer, nothing can be a question. And without a question, there is no more meaning. We make our lives more meaningful than they truly are. However, the truth is we are miniscule. The Milky Way is a spect in the universe with the Earth being a greater spect and a single human entity being an even greater spect. In essence, we are nothing. We would have to be round down to zero in order for us to fit on paper in terms of importance to the universe. But we all want to be that 1... We all want to be that 1.
Think about it really hard. Everything significant in your life can be taken down to a single thought. What we perceive and what we accept translates into our emotions. I could be beaten right now with a smile on my face whereas a little girl might cry over spilled ice cream. Our thoughts, our thirst for knowledge is what drives us and compels us to delve deeper and honestly, I don't agree with any of it.
I don't want to know the purpose or meaning of life. What does knowing do for me? It takes away my humanity. Who we are is built on our ignorance and what we do or think to find solutions for that ignorance. And we come up with our own solutions, we all do. If you're still alive, you might have a subconscience answer to your problems and all of life's greatest mysteries. And you could be right or you could be wrong.
Regardless, that is your perception and that is what you believe to be true. There are no truths other than the ones fabricated by our own minds. Honestly, I am curious to know just why God sits back and watches the destruction and inhumanity of Earth each day. The Bible tells us that God is all-knowing but considering things, it didn't say that he enjoyed knowing it all. For all I know, he could be watching Earth as a way to see if there is something better or wrong in his answer for things.
Knowing the truth must hurt. I can't imagine wanting to see the horrificness of Earth as opposed to knowing the truth of all that matters. Is it really that bad? Or is it something simplier still and he finds this to be his meaning... To be an overseer to those that pursue the knowledge he knows. Because really, what is there left for him to do if he can't pursue knowledge any longer?
He wants us to worship him, he wants us to love him above all else, and he wants us to view him as perfect and I think that's all funny. Because my view of perfection means having flaws. So wouldn't it be funny if he was flawed too? The only way I could view him as being "perfect" would be to admit he had flaws as well... And all of those are just perceptions.
You can perceive it to be magnificient or you can perceive it to be ridiculous. Free will gives us the choice to decide our own answers. Everything is nothing more than a mere perception of things. Things have meaning because you give it meaning, things have insignificance because you perceive it to be as such. And I find that the most difficult question I have yet to place an answer on is "Why do I even care?"
I know I should feel blessed because by my standards our ignorance and perception of things are God's greatest gift of all, aside from life itself, and yet I still feel tormented by that one question posed. Why do I even care? And the funnier thing is that those that don't know an answer to any of the questions they have in life are the only ones that are right because every answer ever given by the lips of a human being or his or her mind is a frabrication of perception and acceptance. Those that don't know the answers are right because none of us know anything at all.
We think we know so much and we don't. We think we've explained phenomenon and we haven't. Answers are nothing more than placeholders. Every answer, every single answer in the history of man is a placeholder. Put there simply so we could have something as opposed to nothing. Because with nothing there is no significance and without significance then only death remains.
And there is much more I want to say but I'll close with one perception of my own. I believe I think too much and in all honesty, that's probably one of my greatest flaws of all...
Quote:
Originally Posted by commonyoshi
There's a lot of thought here I dont agree with, but I want to say I did read the whole thing. Let's start with your concept of perfection.
Explain your thoughts on perfection meaning imperfection. Because I find it's self defeating. I'll explain why I think you are wrong, and in the paragraph after the next I'll explain where I think your logic messed up.
According to your logic there is no actual thing as perfection, or you are saying that everything is, in fact, perfect because the more imperfect or flawed we are the more perfect we become. But that would just mean as we grow more perfect in that regard we become less perfect at the same time since we need imperfections to make us perfect. It's a never ending cycle. According to your logic, God and Satan are just as perfect or imperfect with each other.
I can see why you would think perfection means imperfection though. It's because humans have no idea of what perfection really means. Imperfection means working towards something higher. Perfection, however, means we can not improve. We are idle and stagnant (in a good way). But the thing about idleness and stagnation, as I already pointed out, is it has negative connotations to it because as humans we do not want to be where they currently are. Humans constantly try to reach the state of perfection because our current state is worthless and resist idleness. So idleness and stagnation, to humans, means no improvement, and as a result it is bad. But idleness and stagnation, if you are perfect, is in itself perfect and good.
In conclusion, I think you've gotten the practice of working toward perfection, which is good, mixed up with the state of actually being good (which implies not having to work, something humans aren't used to and associate with bad).
I propose a counter-theory to your beliefs of what perfection really is. While you may put God under character traits such as that of perfection (or loving, forgiving, and just), I see perfection being a character trait of God. There's a sly difference here, and I hope I'm conveying the point across, but it makes a remarkable difference. All good things are of God. Happiness, love, perfection are all aspects of His character. Things like hate, evil, and imperfection are opposites of God. They are not forces in of themselves much like there is no such thing as coldness, simply an absence of heat. That's where I stand. God is not perfect. Perfection is part of God.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnnySm3
What I merely meant by perfection is that we don't understand what perfection is so something we might view as imperfect might actually be, in fact, a perfect trait. It's simply that we wouldn't believe it or understand it to be true of a perfect trait. But I would have to agree with you on how perfection is a trait only God can have and only something we can strive for.
