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My tier list
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The_Bookworm
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Looks alright.
This is my Melee list:
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...,16.F#15,21,17.G#26,10,1,19.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
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I've always found that the top tiers are always clear cut, some characters (Fox) are better than others (Falcon), however the mid and low tiers are where most of the debate happens. Due to a lack of familiarity with each character in the lower tiers, it can be hard to accurately rank these in a way everyone can agree upon.
With that being said, I will present my own opinion with an explanation of each placing so we may understand why these characters have these placings (unlike the previous posts here).
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...,3,25.F#19,15,21.G#17,26,1,10.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
Fox, Falco, and Marth reside in the S tier. I wonder why.
In A tier, I placed Puff above Sheik, primarily because of Sheik's many fewer ways to deal with camping and crouch canceling by all characters. Nevertheless, Puff, Sheik and Peach are still very powerful in tournament play.
Next comes Falcon and ICs. Gee, I wonder why.
In the C tier we have Samus, Pika, and Luigi. While all of these charactars have a fair amount of top level representation, they don't quite make the top cut because of a few noticeable flaws (Pikachu's great ending lag and Luigi's slipperiness to name a few).
D tier is where I'd call MID tier. This includes Ganondorf, Mario, Yoshi, and Doc (in that order). Ganondorf is a true mid tier, slow but powerful however still has movement options and ways to deal with most situations that any character could throw at him. Mario was places right after this due to his large representation in the higher levels of play, along with winning matchups with most characters below him on this list. Yoshi comes next due to his movement, representation, and is held back by his lack of a recovery. Next comes Doc. While most people would place him above the mentioned, and while his potential is likely that high, there has been a massive lack of representation of Doc since Shroomed dropped him in 2015. While some doc mains such as Palika and Kevikoran do place well, they don't attend enough national events to make a case for Doc's threat in today's meta.
E tier is likely the most controversial, though all of these are very similar in viability (which is low-mid tier). G&W was placed at the top of this tier largely due to his frame-positive actions on shield and high-level representation. Next is Link, which has very much representation in the mid levels of play but few links above that. His bomb physics and his overall power placed him above Yink. However buffered between these two is DK, who has high level representation. He has spacing tools and ways to beat CC, which is very important in today's meta. However his weight and overall slowness keeps him from placing higher. Now we have Yink, who's known for his MU with Puff. While it's debatable if it's good or not, we can see that Yink has gotten top level representation in recent time (see Axe vs HBox and Mang0). While Yink has speed and many good projectiles, his unfavorable move physics keep him from outplacing the other characters in this tier (see his multi-hit up-b and bomb knockback directions).
F tier is low tier, where character knowledge for typical player dwindles. I placed Pichu at the top of this tier, followed by MewTwo and Roy. Why Pichu so high? Pichu is the fastest of all of these characters (with extra techs such as PerfectAgility), however lacks a reliable kill option. Not only this he also is the lightest character in the game, which makes him die early. But his strengths outweigh his flaws in this ranking. Next is MewTwo, who is known for his battlefield side-b gimps. He like most low tiers lacks a way to deal with cc, though his combo game is strong vs floaties such as Peach, mostly due to his DJC and nair. MewTwo's wonky phisics and uniqueness makes him scary to fight without mu experience, and perhaps this is why we can see moderate success at a higher level of play from certain mewtwo mains. After M2 is Roy, who has lack of ways to deal with cc, unfavorable recoverer, and badly places sweetspots. However, with excellent spacing, charactar knowledge, and gimps, we see success with Roy when wielded by top players (see Leffen). But don't let this fool you Roy is trash
G tier is just so bad charactars. None of them can deal with CC in any way, don't have any favorable MUs with charactars above them, and rely on one or two moves. Ness has bair, Zelda has bair, Boozer has up-b oos, and Kirby has upair at best. They all suffer from lacking recoveries, lack of punish game, and slow movement. Ness is the best of these, due to his own DJC, but even then he can't kill for ****.
Anyway that was my explanations. They'll probably hard to understand and leave you with questions, but that's no different from the questions I had when reading the other's lol.
With that being said, I will present my own opinion with an explanation of each placing so we may understand why these characters have these placings (unlike the previous posts here).
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...,3,25.F#19,15,21.G#17,26,1,10.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
Fox, Falco, and Marth reside in the S tier. I wonder why.
In A tier, I placed Puff above Sheik, primarily because of Sheik's many fewer ways to deal with camping and crouch canceling by all characters. Nevertheless, Puff, Sheik and Peach are still very powerful in tournament play.
Next comes Falcon and ICs. Gee, I wonder why.
In the C tier we have Samus, Pika, and Luigi. While all of these charactars have a fair amount of top level representation, they don't quite make the top cut because of a few noticeable flaws (Pikachu's great ending lag and Luigi's slipperiness to name a few).
D tier is where I'd call MID tier. This includes Ganondorf, Mario, Yoshi, and Doc (in that order). Ganondorf is a true mid tier, slow but powerful however still has movement options and ways to deal with most situations that any character could throw at him. Mario was places right after this due to his large representation in the higher levels of play, along with winning matchups with most characters below him on this list. Yoshi comes next due to his movement, representation, and is held back by his lack of a recovery. Next comes Doc. While most people would place him above the mentioned, and while his potential is likely that high, there has been a massive lack of representation of Doc since Shroomed dropped him in 2015. While some doc mains such as Palika and Kevikoran do place well, they don't attend enough national events to make a case for Doc's threat in today's meta.
E tier is likely the most controversial, though all of these are very similar in viability (which is low-mid tier). G&W was placed at the top of this tier largely due to his frame-positive actions on shield and high-level representation. Next is Link, which has very much representation in the mid levels of play but few links above that. His bomb physics and his overall power placed him above Yink. However buffered between these two is DK, who has high level representation. He has spacing tools and ways to beat CC, which is very important in today's meta. However his weight and overall slowness keeps him from placing higher. Now we have Yink, who's known for his MU with Puff. While it's debatable if it's good or not, we can see that Yink has gotten top level representation in recent time (see Axe vs HBox and Mang0). While Yink has speed and many good projectiles, his unfavorable move physics keep him from outplacing the other characters in this tier (see his multi-hit up-b and bomb knockback directions).
F tier is low tier, where character knowledge for typical player dwindles. I placed Pichu at the top of this tier, followed by MewTwo and Roy. Why Pichu so high? Pichu is the fastest of all of these characters (with extra techs such as PerfectAgility), however lacks a reliable kill option. Not only this he also is the lightest character in the game, which makes him die early. But his strengths outweigh his flaws in this ranking. Next is MewTwo, who is known for his battlefield side-b gimps. He like most low tiers lacks a way to deal with cc, though his combo game is strong vs floaties such as Peach, mostly due to his DJC and nair. MewTwo's wonky phisics and uniqueness makes him scary to fight without mu experience, and perhaps this is why we can see moderate success at a higher level of play from certain mewtwo mains. After M2 is Roy, who has lack of ways to deal with cc, unfavorable recoverer, and badly places sweetspots. However, with excellent spacing, charactar knowledge, and gimps, we see success with Roy when wielded by top players (see Leffen). But don't let this fool you Roy is trash
G tier is just so bad charactars. None of them can deal with CC in any way, don't have any favorable MUs with charactars above them, and rely on one or two moves. Ness has bair, Zelda has bair, Boozer has up-b oos, and Kirby has upair at best. They all suffer from lacking recoveries, lack of punish game, and slow movement. Ness is the best of these, due to his own DJC, but even then he can't kill for ****.
Anyway that was my explanations. They'll probably hard to understand and leave you with questions, but that's no different from the questions I had when reading the other's lol.
Smashplayer11
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Kirby is higher than Roy...
TheWill44
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I’d be happy to give a Tier List as soon as I unlock all the characters in melee. (Mewtwo is the main problem, I know the 4 player on lightning mode trick, but I’m impatient and my sister keeps shutting it off while I’m at school to play Mario Sunshine.)
Zaedis
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This is my tier list, it's half a joke.
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...N#11,21,17,26.END ME#10,1.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,12,13
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...N#11,21,17,26.END ME#10,1.1,1,1,1,1,1,1,12,13
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Here is my Melee tier list!
This is my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
S-Tier: All have big potential to win super-major tournaments and has one of the best representation compared to other tiers. (Jigglypuff and Peach is debateable since they both have low represenatation but their strengths, MUs, and results from their best players were amazing and has losses against respectable top tier characters and it's not big counters.)
A-Tier: All have potential to win super-major tournaments but is lower by having more noticable weaknesses. You don't see them winning a super-majors but they have the potential to win them.
B-Tier: There is a gap between A/B Tiers. B Tiers, while has the potential to win tournaments and even majors/super-majors, they are placed low because of poor representation, much glaring flaws, or having problesome MUs against the higher tiers. However, they have a BIG potential to place top 8 on a major and recently these characters can make a BIG punch. (Example: Yoshi has aMSa and he placed top 9th on GTX and G5 while defeating Yoshi's hard MUs such as Wizzy's Captain Falcon and SFAT's Fox. Luigi has strength that I believe he should be A-Tier, however, his representation and results, while slowly growing, were never as dominant as the A-Tiers; still he is underrated. Ganondorf is strong, can do fantastic chain grabs, and his results grew because of Kage. But his weaknesses were super-glaring: Slow mobility, mediocre recovery, tall hurt-box and being combo food is determinental. Otherwise he is a good character. Dr. Mario is in center of controversy as his results and representation is stagnant, but he is a good character and could possibly be A-Tier alongside Luigi. He is mostly based on fundamentals and has a kill-comfirm. However, he doesn't have any good approach options and his recovery is linear. Otherwise, I believe he is underrated.)
C-Tier: The niche but decent characters. They are rare in terms of representation and results and they could struggle in disadvantage. But, they have some decent MUs against the higher tiers (Good example is Jigglypuff vs Young Link). They could do well in tournaments but they could struggle to reach top 8 on a major.
D-Tier: These characters are considered "underrated but pretty bad characters." These characters has some strengths but their weaknesses are so polarzing that I don't think they are viable. They are nearly equally as bad as F-Tier but their strengths are a bit noticable and they can do okay at mid-and top-level of play. Still, they are bad characters and I wouldn't recommend for you to pick these characters in competitve play unless you use them to disrespect the opponent or sandbagging.
F-Tier: These characters are HORRIBLE. Unviable at any MUs, non-existent strengths, overwhelming weaknesses and terrible movesets. These characters have little to no representation and their results are minscule (With the exception of Kirby). Otherwise, DO NOT PICK THESE CHARACTERS!!
This is my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
S-Tier: All have big potential to win super-major tournaments and has one of the best representation compared to other tiers. (Jigglypuff and Peach is debateable since they both have low represenatation but their strengths, MUs, and results from their best players were amazing and has losses against respectable top tier characters and it's not big counters.)
A-Tier: All have potential to win super-major tournaments but is lower by having more noticable weaknesses. You don't see them winning a super-majors but they have the potential to win them.
B-Tier: There is a gap between A/B Tiers. B Tiers, while has the potential to win tournaments and even majors/super-majors, they are placed low because of poor representation, much glaring flaws, or having problesome MUs against the higher tiers. However, they have a BIG potential to place top 8 on a major and recently these characters can make a BIG punch. (Example: Yoshi has aMSa and he placed top 9th on GTX and G5 while defeating Yoshi's hard MUs such as Wizzy's Captain Falcon and SFAT's Fox. Luigi has strength that I believe he should be A-Tier, however, his representation and results, while slowly growing, were never as dominant as the A-Tiers; still he is underrated. Ganondorf is strong, can do fantastic chain grabs, and his results grew because of Kage. But his weaknesses were super-glaring: Slow mobility, mediocre recovery, tall hurt-box and being combo food is determinental. Otherwise he is a good character. Dr. Mario is in center of controversy as his results and representation is stagnant, but he is a good character and could possibly be A-Tier alongside Luigi. He is mostly based on fundamentals and has a kill-comfirm. However, he doesn't have any good approach options and his recovery is linear. Otherwise, I believe he is underrated.)
C-Tier: The niche but decent characters. They are rare in terms of representation and results and they could struggle in disadvantage. But, they have some decent MUs against the higher tiers (Good example is Jigglypuff vs Young Link). They could do well in tournaments but they could struggle to reach top 8 on a major.
D-Tier: These characters are considered "underrated but pretty bad characters." These characters has some strengths but their weaknesses are so polarzing that I don't think they are viable. They are nearly equally as bad as F-Tier but their strengths are a bit noticable and they can do okay at mid-and top-level of play. Still, they are bad characters and I wouldn't recommend for you to pick these characters in competitve play unless you use them to disrespect the opponent or sandbagging.
F-Tier: These characters are HORRIBLE. Unviable at any MUs, non-existent strengths, overwhelming weaknesses and terrible movesets. These characters have little to no representation and their results are minscule (With the exception of Kirby). Otherwise, DO NOT PICK THESE CHARACTERS!!
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??? He's not?
The_Bookworm
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I displayed this before in the past, but might as well show my Melee and Brawl Tier Lists.
(Okay, how do you send images from the Tier List Maker to a thread?) lol
(Okay, how do you send images from the Tier List Maker to a thread?) lol
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tsmfoxmaster
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Puff s tier lul
It looks pretty nice, IMO Luigi should be higher than Pikachu due to it's high mobility and stuff.
SwagGuy99
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Here's my Melee viability list and tier list: https://imgur.com/Z4DaPRL https://swagguy99.imgur.com/all/
They are fairly similar but with a few small differences.
They are fairly similar but with a few small differences.
Decent list, heres mine
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...,25,11,3.D#15,19,16,26,21,17.F#1,10.1,1,1,1,1
I play low tiers aLOT so the bottom half of your list is where things get really awkward for me. I can go into depth if you want. But as far as local tourneys the only characters I ever really use are
https://smashboards.com/tiers/#1,10...,25,11,3.D#15,19,16,26,21,17.F#1,10.1,1,1,1,1
I play low tiers aLOT so the bottom half of your list is where things get really awkward for me. I can go into depth if you want. But as far as local tourneys the only characters I ever really use are