My Smash 7.0 Tier List

[stixie]

Not a professional player by any means but I AM at 6.4M GSP and I play A LOT of on/off line games. This is my OPINION of our current game status.

 

[FruitLoop]

Suprisingly not that bad.

However Yoshi is obviously not mid tier, Sonic and Zelda should swap, Lucas is a little overrated and isn't high tier, and Sheik and Zelda aren't high tier QUITE yet (Though sheik is close). Oh and Cloud should be on the lower end of High tier instead of a higher end and R.O.B might be a tier below but on the higher end.

There's some other stuff like Jiggs and especially Villy being too low and other stuff like that and I can get into detail on why I feel like each char deserves a different place but I'm a little busy rn.

For reference, here's my ORDERED tier list:

 

[stixie]

Suprisingly not that bad.

However Yoshi is obviously not mid tier, Sonic and Zelda should swap, Lucas is a little overrated and isn't high tier, and Sheik and Zelda aren't high tier QUITE yet (Though sheik is close). Oh and Cloud should be on the lower end of High tier instead of a higher end and R.O.B might be a tier below but on the higher end.

There's some other stuff like Jiggs and especially Villy being too low and other stuff like that and I can get into detail on why I feel like each char deserves a different place but I'm a little busy rn.

Well... so Yoshi I could be completely wrong about. I don't play the character and I pretty much block everyone who does LOL (yes I HATE this character). Generally I hate every character that spends 90% of the match at the top of the screen not playing the game.

Sonic.................. yeah I dunno... I haven't ever played a GOOD Sonic though one of my friends is picking him up and still learning him. All I ever see online is "b" button spammers and I know he basically gets body blocked by anyone with a counter (my secondary is Lucina and I NEVER have trouble with Sonic).

Zelda is a bit of an anomaly, I know, but this character is my main and I can guarantee you for a fact she's NOT mid tier. Before the buffs, yes... after 7.0, def high tier. She can routinely kill mid weights at 85% with a DI mixup. You can't land on her (neutral b) and people that say she has bad frame data have never used her jab apparently. I SPAM that move (especially vs fast characters) as it comes out on frame 4. She has the highest knockback up air AND the best ftilt IN THE GAME now. If she sweet spot down airs you on stage at 75-90 you're dead, if she grabs you at 85-95 you're dead if she reads your DI, if you make an unsafe attack on her shield at 80+ you're dead. Seriously... NOT mid tier. In fact Zelda's been getting some really interesting tournament results beating Salem, taking MKLeo to a game 5, ven taking Gluttony's Wario to game 5.... Ven actually placed 33rd at Frostbite 2020 solo Zelda, getting beat by Tweek (3rd place) and Gluttony (17th place). Also Samsora is learning Zelda now for a couple matchups.

Sheik is one of those characters that is in a really interesting spot right now. Void placed 13th at Frostbite last month solo Sheik and as I stated this is a 7.0 tier list. I would NOT have placed this character here before the buffs. Sheik combos are pretty nuts and can do a LOT of damage. Where she struggles is killing which got a TINY bit better in 7.0.

I feel now would be a good time to say I didn't make this off of tournament results but based off my own experiences AND known RECENT results with said characters.

Jiggs is kinda "whatever." She can sauce on you if you're not ready for it but all in all I'd say a pretty bad character.

Villy... well I never have problems with the character when I play them with either Zelda or Lucina and they play about as different as oil and water so I'm really not sure what villy has going for him. Even MkLeo has villy as low tier.

Just my explanations.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Suprisingly not that bad.

However Yoshi is obviously not mid tier, Sonic and Zelda should swap, Lucas is a little overrated and isn't high tier, and Sheik and Zelda aren't high tier QUITE yet (Though sheik is close). Oh and Cloud should be on the lower end of High tier instead of a higher end and R.O.B might be a tier below but on the higher end.

There's some other stuff like Jiggs and especially Villy being too low and other stuff like that and I can get into detail on why I feel like each char deserves a different place but I'm a little busy rn.

For reference, here's my ORDERED tier list:

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I disagree slightly with your placement of anyone but Little Mac in the bottom tier. Obviously you might say I'm a bit biased, but in my experience of playing them I've matched up pretty well against Kirby, DK, KKR, Corrin, Plant, Ridley, Jigs, and Isabelle. And on that note, DK should definately be a bit higher. He can move.

 

[K=RB2]

i think dr. Mario still needs to be a low tier, hitting hard(er) as a truck and getting new combos are awesome but he’s had the same issues as prepatch. I think he can def be mid tier if I see another breakout but until now he’s probably top of low

Definitely don’t see Isabelle as terribly designed, i don’t like it and i think the yellow dog is still below average but probably the lower end of low tier

 

[stixie]

i think dr. Mario still needs to be a low tier, hitting hard(er) as a truck and getting new combos are awesome but he’s had the same issues as prepatch. I think he can def be mid tier if I see another breakout but until now he’s probably top of low

Definitely don’t see Isabelle as terribly designed, i don’t like it and i think the yellow dog is still below average but probably the lower end of low tier

Doc as low tier?? Hm... I mean... true he doesn't have that great of results but it's weird to think of him as low tier.

Personally I think Isabelle is one of the worst designed characters in all of smash (along with Mac), but either way I still think she'd be at the very maximum the bottom of low.

 

[Wigglerman]

I feel like Doc just hits harder and that alone isn't enough to make him 'good'. He lacks the speed and general mobility regular Mario offers, lacks the spin dair (Which is way better than Doc's mid air stomp) and is just a bit laggier overall. His recovery is also booty. While Mario may not hit 'as hard' as Doc, his combo game is so much better that it offsets the difference in damage per hit. I'd agree that Doc is low tier MAYBE able to slip into low Mid but that's about as high as he can go right now.

 

[stixie]

I feel like Doc just hits harder and that alone isn't enough to make him 'good'. He lacks the speed and general mobility regular Mario offers, lacks the spin dair (Which is way better than Doc's mid air stomp) and is just a bit laggier overall. His recovery is also booty. While Mario may not hit 'as hard' as Doc, his combo game is so much better that it offsets the difference in damage per hit. I'd agree that Doc is low tier MAYBE able to slip into low Mid but that's about as high as he can go right now.

I agree with everything you said but the characters in the tiers below him are just.................... worse.

MAYBE switch him out for villager?