My first competitive team OU

[Hobobloke]

Aerodactyl@ Focus Sash
Pressure
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Taunt
Stealth Rocks
Earthquake
Stone Edge

My lead, start off with taunt if they are capable of setting up on me then SR. EQ and Stone Edge for type coverage.

Blissey@ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Bold
EVs: 252 Def / 176 Sp Def / 80 Sp Atk
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Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Flamethrower

My wall used to sponge attacks and poison foes. Seismic Toss for good constant damage and Flamethrower to deal with the likes of heracross, scizor, skarmory etc.

Electivire@ Life Orb
Motor Drive
Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Earthquake

My main man Electivire is my physical sweeper and with the current moveset he can hit 13 types super-effective. Also a good backup for my Gyarados because of motor drive.

Duskinoir@ Leftovers
Pressure
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 58 Sp Def
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Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp
Ice Punch
Shadow Sneak

Tank: Pain Split to make use of his abysmal HP, Will-o-Wisp to cripple sweepers and rack up damage, Ice Punch to deal with dragons, and Shadow Sneak to hit other ghosts and get the first hit in when necessarry.

Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
EVs: 252 Sp Atk / 216 Speed / 40 HP
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Fire Blast
Hidden Power Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

Fire Blast for STAB, HP Ice to deal with pesky dragons, and explosion to take someone out if essential and a last ditch effort to get a strong attack in.

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Intimidate
Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 244 Speed / 12 HP
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Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

My sweeper and favourite pokemon. If i get the chance i will use DD then sweep. I usually leave him for late in the game when everyone is already hurting, but depending on circumstances it can change. Waterfall is a good STAB move and Stone Edge and Earthquake for type coverage.

Well theres my team, any input and suggestions would be greatly appreciated but go easy on me im new to this

 

[Pink Reaper]

Crobat@ Leftovers
Inner Focus
Jolly
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Speed / 4 Atk
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Hypnosis
U-turn
Air Slash
Roost/Whirlwind

My lead usually start off with hypnosis and assuming it hits U-Turn to a pokemon with type advantage. Air Slash for if i have to attack, and i switch between Roost and Whirlwind.

Hypnosis is gay. Like, really gay. Probably the gayest thing ever ever. The new 60% accuracy means its not nearly dependable enough. I would suggest Taunt instead, letting you get the jump on Suicide Azelf or anything else trying to set up on you.

Blissey@ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
EVs: 252 Def / 176 Sp Def / 80 Sp Atk
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Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Flamethrower

My wall used to sponge attacks and poison foes. Seismic Toss for good constant damage and Flamethrower to deal with the likes of heracross, scizor, skarmory etc.

Ok

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Motor Drive
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Earthquake

My main man Electivire is my physical sweeper and with the current moveset he can hit 13 types super-effective. Also a good backup for my Gyarados because of motor drive.

Gyaravire. Used to be really common. Now replaced with Scizortran

Duskinoir@ Leftovers
Pressure
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 Sp Def
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Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp
Ice Punch
Shadow Sneak

Tank: Pain Split to make use of his abysmal HP, Will-o-Wisp to cripple sweepers and rack up damage, Ice Punch to deal with dragons, and Shadow Sneak to hit other ghosts and get the first hit in when necessary.

You should really look in to working Brick Break into this set if at all possible, maybe over Ice Punch if you have Salamence covered by something else. Duel Screening is popular and the ability to break Screens is really useful, as is the ability to hit a Heatran trying to come in to absorb WoW(Btw, this set can do absolutely nothing to Heatran)

Heatran@ Leftovers
Flash Fire
Modest
EVs: 252 Sp Atk / 216 Sp Def / 40 HP
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Fire Blast
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power
Explosion

probably will be the first to go if changes are necessary but nonetheless he isn't terrible. Fire Blast for STAB, Dragon Pulse to deak with pesky dragons, and explosion to take someone out if essential and a last ditch effort to get a strong attack in.

HP Ice absolutely over Dragon Pulse. The only thing Dragon Pulse covers better than HP Ice is Kingdra, whom this Heatran really should be trying to avoid anyway.

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Intimidate
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

My sweeper and favorite pokemon. If i get the rare chnce i will use DD then sweep. I usually leave him for late in the game when everyone is already hurting but depending on circumstances it can change. Waterfall is a good STAB move and Stone Edge and Earthquake for type coverage.

Fine

Well theres my team, any input and suggestions would be greatly appreciated but go easy on me im new to this

The biggest problem I see with your team is the fact that it really has no way of dealing with Skymin. Stealth Rocks would help as your Flamethrower Blissey can scare off a Skymin pretty well causing switches. Other than Blissey only your Crobat can hope to take on Skymin with its 4x grass resistance and immunity to Ground and Flinching(Air Slash 2HKO's it though and if you take Stealth Rocks damage into account then Seed Flare + Air Slash will also KO you) Maybe Ice Fang on DDmence?

 

[0RLY]

Crobat
-- Taunt over Hypnosis.
-- Possibly Whirlwind over Air Slash since you don't seem much like an attacker. It's really nice for ridding yourself of a foe trying to set-up or one behind a sub.

Blissey
-- Good.

Electivire
-- You might want Fire Punch in there somewhere so you can take out the Scizor that's everywhere nowadays. I would personally put it over EQ since your Gyara can already EQ.
-- Sometimes you won't be able to hit for SE, especially on Psychics and Ghosts, so try using Life Orb.

Dusknoir
-- 176 Def EVs gives you a bonus stat point.
-- If you want this guy to counter Dragons, you might need a greater Def investment due to Outrage mence. You will fall to Tran though.

Heatran
-- Not a scarftran? Wow... well, you'll be changing it soon. I can tell. Not because I'm telling you to. Just because... because. HP (Ice) over Dragon Pulse. If you can't get a HP (because it's in-game... or for whatever reason) use Dark Pulse instead so you can cover Gengar, Azelf, and such.

Gyarados
-- You only need 244 Spe EVs. You won't outspeed anything with those 3 points of extra speed.


If I had to say anything, I'd say Crobat and Dusknoir are dragging down the team the most. SR support will help immensely. Gyarados is the only Pokemon with a set-up move, lowering your chances to sweep.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Work with Dusknoir a lot. He has potential, not that many people have fully realized it though. Lemme know if you come up with anything really good.

 

[Hobobloke]

Updated with a new lead, a few little changes, and some snazzy pictures.

 

[ToiletRoll]

[Review mode] Okay lets get started

Aerodactyl@ Focus Sash
Pressure
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Taunt
Stealth Rocks
Earthquake
Stone Edge

My lead, start off with taunt if they are capable of setting up on me then SR. EQ and Stone Edge for type coverage.

I have an Aerodactyl and it works along those lines sorta. Aerodactyl is weak in defenses so if I were you i wouldnt teach it SR, Plus i dont believe in SR. Waste of a move if you ask me. Id rather get an extra 80% supereffective hit rather than random damages. XD Ice Fang or Aerial Ace would do nice replacements. Everything else is good

Blissey@ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
EVs: 252 Def / 176 Sp Def / 80 Sp Atk
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Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Flamethrower

My wall used to sponge attacks and poison foes. Seismic Toss for good constant damage and Flamethrower to deal with the likes of heracross, scizor, skarmory etc.

Righto... For a Blissey, Natural Cure is awesome, The held item is good also. The nature could have been Bold, For the defense increase. And with your 'consistent damage' technique, the loss of Atk wouldnt be too bad. I trained a Bold Blissey w/leftovers and it had Serene Grace. I taught it Softboiled, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt. So that there would be more status problems in the opponent. when i attacked. This Blissey is a nice one. I want it :D

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Motor Drive
Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Earthquake

My main man Electivire is my physical sweeper and with the current moveset he can hit 13 types super-effective. Also a good backup for my Gyarados because of motor drive.

Expert Belts are amazing items, I love them. Adamant.... not bad. Cant say much else. the moveset looks awesome. Except for that Cross Chop, Maybe Brick Break instead, so that you can deal with the protect/detect stalling foes.

Duskinoir@ Leftovers
Pressure
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 58 Sp Def
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Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp
Ice Punch
Shadow Sneak

Tank: Pain Split to make use of his abysmal HP, Will-o-Wisp to cripple sweepers and rack up damage, Ice Punch to deal with dragons, and Shadow Sneak to hit other ghosts and get the first hit in when necessarry.

Your team is cool. dont get me wrong or anything, but you just broke the Item Clause. Pressure is decent, Cant say much more, I know almost nothing of Dusknoir.

Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
EVs: 252 Sp Atk / 216 Speed / 40 HP
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Fire Blast
Hidden Power Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

probably will be the first to go if changes are necessary but nontheless he isn't terrible. Fire Blast for STAB, Dragon Pulse to deal with pesky dragons, and explosion to take someone out if essential and a last ditch effort to get a strong attack in.

Explosion on a choice poke is kinda wasting that last move slot. If i were to raise a heatran, I would do it this way (feel free to steal the idea XD)

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Flash Fire
*Increasing Sp Atk and losing something else*
252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def
OverHeat
T-Bolt
Earth Power? (can they learn that?)
??? <<somethin else

Basically you spam overheat And before this, predict and switch into a Fire move. Kills off most things. I killed off an Empoleon with that technique

Your Heatran is okay i guess

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Intimidate
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 244 Speed / 12 HP
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Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

My sweeper and favourite pokemon. If i get the chance i will use DD then sweep. I usually leave him for late in the game when everyone is already hurting, but depending on circumstances it can change. Waterfall is a good STAB move and Stone Edge and Earthquake for type coverage.

Life Orb is good. Shiny? Nice. Moveset seems fine. Maybe drop waterfall with another STAB move, you're dealing with all the fire types with EarthQuake and Stone Edge. A dragon type move would be good for the STAB move.

Well theres my team, any input and suggestions would be greatly appreciated but go easy on me im new to this

Help In Red

 

[roy is my boi]

Aerodactyl@ Focus Sash
Pressure
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
------------------------------
Taunt
Stealth Rocks
Earthquake
Stone Edge

My lead, start off with taunt if they are capable of setting up on me then SR. EQ and Stone Edge for type coverage.
Fine. Watch out for Anti-leads

Blissey@ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
EVs: 252 Def / 176 Sp Def / 80 Sp Atk
--------------------------------
Softboiled
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Flamethrower

My wall used to sponge attacks and poison foes. Seismic Toss for good constant damage and Flamethrower to deal with the likes of heracross, scizor, skarmory etc.
Personally, i like the Protect/Wish over Softboiled and Seismic Toss. Protect allows you to pwn those Special Sweepers with Explode (Gengar/Azelf) and allows you to help you teammates and scout for attacks. If you do follow my advice, you wont be able to hurt Heatran, but he cant do **** to you (except Explode, which you could block with Protect) and can PP drain him.

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Motor Drive
Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
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Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Earthquake

My main man Electivire is my physical sweeper and with the current moveset he can hit 13 types super-effective. Also a good backup for my Gyarados because of motor drive.
Never liked Electivire but its okay i guess. Might want to think about changing one of your attacks to Fire Punch to hit Scizor.

Duskinoir@ Leftovers
Pressure
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 58 Sp Def
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Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp
Ice Punch
Shadow Sneak

Tank: Pain Split to make use of his abysmal HP, Will-o-Wisp to cripple sweepers and rack up damage, Ice Punch to deal with dragons, and Shadow Sneak to hit other ghosts and get the first hit in when necessarry.
Okay I guess. Kinda boring and watch out for Toxic.
If you followed my advice for WishBlissey, this guy is a great recipient.

Heatran@ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
EVs: 252 Sp Atk / 216 Speed / 40 HP
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Fire Blast
Hidden Power Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

probably will be the first to go if changes are necessary but nontheless he isn't terrible. Fire Blast for STAB, Dragon Pulse to deal with pesky dragons, and explosion to take someone out if essential and a last ditch effort to get a strong attack in.
Okay. Might consider another HP type (Grass for Swampert, Electric for Gyra).

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Intimidate
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 244 Speed / 12 HP
-------------------------------
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Waterfall

My sweeper and favourite pokemon. If i get the chance i will use DD then sweep. I usually leave him for late in the game when everyone is already hurting, but depending on circumstances it can change. Waterfall is a good STAB move and Stone Edge and Earthquake for type coverage.
Jolly? This is fine i guess.
Well theres my team, any input and suggestions would be greatly appreciated but go easy on me im new to this
Kinda predictable team, but it doesnt have any huge holes (i think LOL)

Comments in BOLD
EDIT: @ Toliet
SRSLY?

 

[karthik_king]

@Toilet Roll Smogon ladder is not restricted by item clause

 

[ToiletRoll]

@ Roy is my boi

Seriously what? XD

@ Karthik King

I did not know that :S

 

[roy is my boi]

@ toilet's rate
@ aerodactal rate The only purpose of using an Aerodactal Lead is for taunt->SR.
@ Blissey rate i cant understand what ur saying
@ Electrive rate Brick Break does not affect Protect
@ Dusknoir rate you didnt really say anything lol
@ Heatran rate Scarftran>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SpecsTran
@ Gyrados is Water/Flying so he would NOT get STAB on Dragon attacks. His set is decent the way it is, because without StoneEdge, Gyra would not be able to hurt Levitaters/Flying-Types.
It is obvious that you thought this team was made for wifi, but unfortunately 95% of all these teams are made for Shoddy (Smogon Ladder)

 

[Hobobloke]

@ToiletRoll
Aerodactyl -The sole purpose of my aerodactyl is for SR support
Blissey - good point, changed to bold nature
Electivire - I had expert belt but decided on life orb for the few things i can't hit SE. Adamant is the best nature for a physical sweeper. I prefer Cross Chop for geater damage.
Dusknoir - I don't play with item clause, nobody really cares about it
Gyarados - Yep shiny, I've loved shiny gyara ever since the lake of rage in Gold and Waterfall is the best STAB move in my opinion, I considered Aqua Tail but I hate missing and it doesn't have alot more power.

@roy is my boi
Gyara is Adamant forgot to change it.
I <3 Electivire I was considering dropping EQ for fire punch considering Gyarados can EQ already but wasnt sure if i wanted to sacrifice the type coverage, I will work it in there somehow as it counters alot of popular pokes.
I wasn't sure about WishBliss because I'd be walled by pokes that resist fire, but i suppose i could toxic stall them. I will trial it and see how it goes.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[sonic 12111]

ok. why would u give heatran explosion when u gave him a choice item. first of al if u want the choice item give him dark pulse over xplosion.and flamethrower over fireblast. if u want to get rid of his item then give him wise glasses.

ok. give blissey attract over flamethrower because seismic toss wil kill most pokemon in 3 hits. attract will cripple well if it is a boy pokemon

 

[roy is my boi]

ok. why would u give heatran explosion when u gave him a choice item. first of al if u want the choice item give him dark pulse over xplosion.and flamethrower over fireblast. if u want to get rid of his item then give him wise glasses.

ok. give blissey attract over flamethrower because seismic toss wil kill most pokemon in 3 hits. attract will cripple well if it is a boy pokemon

Ok. Srsly. Explosion is a basic thing on every Scarftran, it can take out special wall who would otherwise wall the **** out of you. Wtf are wise glasses. Srsly. (<---my fav word today.) Go FireBlast over Flamethrower, it would turn alot of 2HKOs into OHKOs. Flamethrower on Blissey used to be a surprise factor, but now....not so much. But that does not mean you should take it out. You could still OHKO tons of Steel-types, namely Scizor. I would use aromatherapy over Seismic Toss, to become more of a team player, but then you can't touch Heatran (but it's not like he can do anything, except Explode). Sorry if that was incoherent, I'm in a rush. =D

 

[sonic 12111]

how would u use extplosion with a choice item

 

[Hobobloke]

switch in to a wall i really need to take down and BOOM they're gone.

 

[Metal~Mario]

@gyra: What, no aqua tail?

or do you like the full accuracy and flinching effect of waterfall more?

 

[sonic 12111]

i c. but still. i dont like it

 

[Hobobloke]

Yeah i really hate missing and i don't think its worth the risk for a bit of extra power

 

[sonic 12111]

if u risk the accuracy u might miss the first time. so if u use a weaker move with higher accuracy and 2hk0 is like the same. also if they have a focus sash it wont matter

 

[Metal~Mario]

Figured as much. I have the same problem w/Thunder....

Shiny gyra FTW!!

 

[ToiletRoll]

Never teach anything Thunder without Kyogre or Rain Dance support. Never.

 

[sonic 12111]

trud dat. but not the same with solar beam. u can give the poke a power herb to kill. but sun/groudon does help

 

[Hobobloke]

Excuse me if this is a noob question but what is a "power herb" also without sun solarbeam sucks because they can just switch in to something resistant to it.

 

[WouW]

Power Herb is an item that deletes the charging effects from moves like SolarBeam. So you don't need sun.

 

[roy is my boi]

One-time use= fail
Srsly.
EDIT: lol, speaking of one time use items, there was this Aerodactal with Curse+White Herb, and it took out my Bandanet >.< pretty funny when he died the next turn to an Ice Shard =D (yes I know that is not on topic)

 

[0RLY]

One-time use= fail
Srsly.

Wrong, a well placed Solarbeam takes out Vaporeon when Grass Knot can't. One counter gone is more than enough to justify a moveslot. Sacrificing a moveslot in exchange for defeating an opponent's Pokemon sounds really good to me. However, you do need to be faster than whatever you're trying to Solarbeam (not that hard since most bulky waters are slow). You also need to be able to ohko the threat, or at least ohko with SR and lefties factored in. Solarbeam is only considered when Energy Ball isn't an option, or is too weak of an option. Of course, using this makes you weaker against other Pokemon while your item isn't being used. A stall war against a Bronzong is much more easily won while holding lefties or a Life Orb. It's kind of like using type-weakening berries, except Power Herb is used offensively, not defensively. This is very similar to how Garchomp uses Yache berry to set up Swords Dance, except not nearly as broken.

 

[roy is my boi]

Wrong, a well placed Solarbeam takes out Vaporeon when Grass Knot can't. One counter gone is more than enough to justify a moveslot. Sacrificing a moveslot in exchange for defeating an opponent's Pokemon sounds really good to me. However, you do need to be faster than whatever you're trying to Solarbeam (not that hard since most bulky waters are slow). You also need to be able to ohko the threat, or at least ohko with SR and lefties factored in. Solarbeam is only considered when Energy Ball isn't an option, or is too weak of an option. Of course, using this makes you weaker against other Pokemon while your item isn't being used. A stall war against a Bronzong is much more easily won while holding lefties or a Life Orb. It's kind of like using type-weakening berries, except Power Herb is used offensively, not defensively. This is very similar to how Garchomp uses Yache berry to set up Swords Dance, except not nearly as broken.

Lol, I forgot about Garchomp =X. I was really just referring to Power Herb when I said one-time item=fail. No Johns though.
Srsly.
EDIT: I still think Power Herb is useless btw.

 

[sonic 12111]

me to. lol. i dont like both herbs. it may be useful sometimes but it is situational

 

[0RLY]

This is Pokemon. Everything is situational.

 

[sonic 12111]

This is Pokemon. Everything is situational.

well of course. its pokemon. the world where every team is diferent (except those noobs that steal the sandstorm/snowstorm team from the pokemon battle revolution guide book) and certain setups work on certain teams. but it is very rare to see a roserade with a power herb and solar beam. but herbs are not worth it. i would rather go with sunny day x_x

 

[ToiletRoll]

IMO Sunny Day is a complete waste of a turn.
SolarBeam is good with Power Herb in certain situations for sure. And unless there's an ability that works the same as Power Herb, Its a good choice for some sweepers. I have a houndoom w/ Power Herb and SolarBeam

 

[sonic 12111]

IMO Sunny Day is a complete waste of a turn.
SolarBeam is good with Power Herb in certain situations for sure. And unless there's an ability that works the same as Power Herb, Its a good choice for some sweepers. I have a houndoom w/ Power Herb and SolarBeam

well that is pretty good only for swamperts, vaporeons or ryperiors. otherwise why would you do that. you can have a hp grass 60-70 to have the same effect. but if you are caught up in stealth rock, spikes or any kind of storm then u will not heal from that as you will from leftovers. u do what u want but i hate it. also if you are fighting a pokemon that totally resists grass type attacks or has a whole team of them like ninjask, yanmega, or scizor then it will be a total waist of item. besides houndoom is pretty fast and has a good sp attack so it can sweep decently with a nasty plot.

 

[Niiro]

well that is pretty good only for swamperts, vaporeons or ryperiors. otherwise why would you do that. you can have a hp grass 60-70 to have the same effect. but if you are caught up in stealth rock, spikes or any kind of storm then u will not heal from that as you will from leftovers. u do what u want but i hate it. also if you are fighting a pokemon that totally resists grass type attacks or has a whole team of them like ninjask, yanmega, or scizor then it will be a total waist of item. besides houndoom is pretty fast and has a good sp attack so it can sweep decently with a nasty plot.

Dude, what are you talking about? I can't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[ToiletRoll]

How can you NOT understand that?

well that is pretty good only for swamperts, vaporeons or ryperiors.
He's going on about the Solar Beam
otherwise why would you do that. you can have a hp grass 60-70 to have the same effect. but if you are caught up in stealth rock, spikes or any kind of storm then u will not heal from that as you will from leftovers.
He's saying that leftovers may not recover all of the SR or spikes, weather conditions etc.
u do what u want but i hate it. also if you are fighting a pokemon that totally resists grass type attacks or has a whole team of them like ninjask, yanmega, or scizor then it will be a total waist (WASTE) of item.
besides houndoom is pretty fast and has a good sp attack so it can sweep decently with a nasty plot.
He's saying Houndoom can sweep well with NP

Any more questions Niiro?

 

[Niiro]

Wow, ty for clearing that up. Seriously, Sonic, a little grammar/ punctuation never hurt anyone.

 

[sonic 12111]

Wow, ty for clearing that up. Seriously, Sonic, a little grammar/ punctuation never hurt anyone.

sorry i did that one on my psp. occasionally my mom takes away my computer. plus i was in a rush sorry

p.s. thank you toiletroll for clearing that up for him. i love your new avatar. what is it a heracross and sceptile