My defensive options?

[Pogogo]

Hi,
I'm a melee player who's been playing some 64. I was just wondering what my defensive options are. For example, I keep getting down aired into rest. I find the shield stun is just ridiculous and that DI seems to have no visible effect.

 

[Battlecow]

decent or sort of decent smash DI will get you out of Dair->rest. A lot of the time, though, the only advice anyone can give you is "don't get hit."

 

[ciaza]

The punishment game in 64 is very high, you'll need to focus a lot more on not getting hit because it'll lead to death, a gimp situation or a high percentage at the least.

If you're in shield, depending on your character you'll probably want to do jump>aerial OOS. Or, with characters like Samus or DK, UpB OOS. Learn **** DI (I think Moogle has a video of it somewhere).

 

[asianaussie]

'Don't get hit' is the defensive advice you want to follow.

D-Air > Rest? Shield. (And then you get grabbed)

Change your perception of DI. You have to register stick inputs rather than just holding it in one direction - smash DI.

 

[Pogogo]

Oh really? Didn't know that. Still holding up by instinct when getting thrown.

So jumping out of shield is good. Better than say rolling or shield grab?

 

[ciaza]

Much better, depending if your opponent is a high level of play. Good players will punish rolling and should have good enough shield pressure to avoid the shield grab.

 

[asianaussie]

shield grab is better if you know it'll connect

rolling is meh, only ever use it to retreat

jumping out of shield is often a good option, but it can be punished if you do it too much

 

[ballin4life]

shield grab usually doesn't work. rolling works sometimes.

what character are you using?

 

[Pogogo]

pika :DDDDDDDD To be fair, I used him when I was 6 so

You can just shield dair to rest? Really? Im so bad

 

[asianaussie]

If it's Pika you can also Up-B out of shield - Up-B has invincibility frames and can carry you a fair way.

You can shield it, but good Puffs will just grab you instead, which is pretty bad for you.

 

[ballin4life]

you can also usmash OOS.

 

[The Star King]

Pika's utilt beats Puff's dair

Resist your Melee habits and avoid shielding aerials in this game

 

[Pogogo]

What I mean is, after i get hit by a dair am I screwed? Rested/upsmashed for sure? But this is a lot of good stuff

 

[The Star King]

No. You can Smash DI out. Smash DI is the only DI in this game, and is essential for your success.

 

[Pogogo]

Ok. What can you do to get out of utilt to utilt to utilt? I find myself doing this a lot at around 30%. I also noticed that unlike melee, jab is the worst thing ever.

 

[Pink_Kirby]

Situational - depends on the character and damage percent. DI up and away works most of the time. Jabs are often used for a "don't grab me bro" poke and fox jab is useful for setting up up smash.

 

[Pogogo]

I use dtilt for that as pika anyways

 

[Sangoku]

Jabs are good for certain characters. For pika, I see two ways jab could be useful: if you manage to have your opponent against a wall, then you can infinitely jab him. And second is jab-grab.

Of course, the famous fox jab is still better.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Fox Jab is the best.

Also, have in mind that there are four characters who can jab-grab (Luigi, Mario, Ness & Pika)
one of the options are Jab+Immediately Z

 

[King Funk]

The best defensive option is this game is not getting hit.

 

[Destiny Warrior]

The best defensive option is this game is not getting hit.

So so true.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

inb4But if you're not yet in that lvl, DI would be a good option.

 

[Sangoku]

People tends to overrate the 0-to-death combos possibility. It doesn't happen that often at all.

 

[clubbadubba]

Learn **** DI (I think Moogle has a video of it somewhere).

If by Moogle you mean DMoogle/A$, then I don't think he has. He keeps saying he's gonna put it up, but i can't find it on his channel. A$, if you're reading this, put up the DI video!

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

People tends to overrate the 0-to-death combos possibility. It doesn't happen that often at all.

it's not just about that, have this in mind:

you'll need to focus a lot more on not getting hit because it'll lead to death, a gimp situation or a high percentage at the least.

which will sooner or later lead to death.

 

[DMoogle]

If by Moogle you mean DMoogle/A$, then I don't think he has. He keeps saying he's gonna put it up, but i can't find it on his channel. A$, if you're reading this, put up the DI video!

I'm pretty sure he meant me, not Moogle. Yeah I know, I keep meaning to make it and then putting it off. Maybe this weekend! Seriously, I need someone to pester me hard until I do it.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

Pika's utilt beats Puff's dair

Resist your Melee habits and avoid shielding aerials in this game

This is very important. Avoiding aerials or trying to out prioritize them is way better than shielding. Shielding an attack like Puff's dair is going to get you *****.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

@Pogogo
Try this for a simple DI practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEfODQB_88Y

 

[Sangoku]

I remember a japanese player made a video of ****ing DI. Might not be exactly what DMoogle is referring to, but must be pretty close. I don't like that method though, as I think it takes too long to get ready to DI and to get ready to hold normally again. But that's just me, because I suck.

 

[chuckj]

I remember a japanese player made a video of ****ing DI. Might not be exactly what DMoogle is referring to, but must be pretty close. I don't like that method though, as I think it takes too long to get ready to DI and to get ready to hold normally again. But that's just me, because I suck.

moyashi

asdf

 

[The Star King]

^Yeah I remember that

Someone post the video

 

[Sempiternity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8F13WU6ERY

 

[Sangoku]

Star King's authority...

Just realised the vid's title begins with 半月 which means half moon. Funny how you can sometimes understand japanese with a little chinese knowledge.

 

[asianaussie]

That's because a good majority of Japanese characters (raw majority, not majority in usage) are traditional Chinese characters...

 

[Sangoku]

Ohhhh that's why!!!!! Lol thanks but I was just pointing this out, I know where they came from.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Hmm, how have i seen seen this before O_o

 

[clubbadubba]

I'm pretty sure he meant me, not Moogle. Yeah I know, I keep meaning to make it and then putting it off. Maybe this weekend! Seriously, I need someone to pester me hard until I do it.

Pester Pester Pester. Its the weekend, make the video! Though that linked one seems like what you would be making anyway right?

 

[DMoogle]

Pester Pester Pester. Its the weekend, make the video! Though that linked one seems like what you would be making anyway right?

Yeah that's basically it, although I think Sangoku's assumption is false; you don't have to move your left hand much at all to DI, like that Japanese guy does in the video, and the up/down DI method I use is a bit different. Maybe I'll make it tonight.

Someone needs to get on AIM and pester me about it though.

 

[Sempiternity]

Yeah that's basically it, although I think Sangoku's assumption is false; you don't have to move your left hand much at all to DI, like that Japanese guy does in the video, and the up/down DI method I use is a bit different. Maybe I'll make it tonight.

Someone needs to get on AIM and pester me about it though.

Are you the one who holds the controller all weird?

 

[The Star King]

I think you're thinking of TANK.