VeemonTamer
Cyber Sleuth
Sorry i didn't know what to name the thread. Not sure if this count's as a match up thread if I'm posting observations about Sonic matches.
Ok Hi everyone noob here. I have been lurking around for a while but finally decided to make an account. Pretty much trying to learn how to become a better Yoshi player. He is the ONLY character I have ever used since the N64 days! I have come in second in a local smash 3DS tourney a few months back and I had a 85% 1v1 win rate before I started experimenting with fox (the closest I’ll ever get to Tails T_T ). I don’t consider myself pro at all tho a lot of my friends (who I can beat on the daily) tell me to enter more tourneys but before I even consider that I feel I need to get way better than I am now. Okay now that intros are out of the way…
I have been looking around and I didn’t see a thread for a Sonic Yoshi MU and I have been looking through the “The Nose Knows - Yoshi MU Portal” and nobody seems to have a solid way of beating Sonic. He is so aggravating to play against and used to be one of the hardest match ups for me but I found a way to make the matches a lot more bearable/manageable. I have been testing this for about 2 months now. I wanted to collect more attempts against Sonic players before I said anything about it so that way it didn’t look like I was pulling crap out of my behind. But this method seems to get me victories against Sonic way more often than not.
Now I know this is going to sound VERY VERY STUPID buuutttttt… EGG ROLL! Yes, egg roll, the dreaded attack that most Yoshi players would advise we never use. Yes, the same egg roll that many label useless or easy to get hit out of but IMO is the key to a Sonic match up. It’s not going to be a clean victory and it WILL hurt. You will basically be using your body as damage bait I’ll try to explain this the best I can.
Sonic as we all know, is a very fast and aggressive character who can be all up in our faces before we can even do anything. He is very hard to read due to the fact that all of his spin attacks look exactly the same so he can be a bit hard to approach. Sonic can land many hits and rack up a lot of damage in very little time without receiving much damage which can be very frustrating.
A lot of the advice (from here and reddit) I have read vs Sonic is generally in a nutshell is “good luck” or be patient and play more DEFENSIVELY. Shield often when he does his spin charges and try to hit him during the little bit of lag time he has afterwards. Honestly, it just didn’t work for me. I’d get slaughtered every time. Most Sonic’s from my observations will spam the ever living hell out the spin dash move and run circles around you and that is EXACTLY what you want them to do in this case. By using Egg Roll you can flip the tables on Sonic easily and force him to play more defensively and a Sonic with no spin attacks is basically a sitting duck!
When the match starts most Sonic’s will start with a spin dash because that the fastest way he can approach when you see this IMMEDIATELY egg roll towards him. If done right this should create a clash and cancel BOTH moves. Sometimes both Yoshi and Sonic WILL take damage but I prefer both of us taking damage than just me taking damage and remember that Yoshi has WAAAYYY more endurance than Sonic because he weighs more. It takes more effort/damage to knock Yoshi off the stage than Sonic and this works in our favor here. Anyways AS SOON as the clash happens YOSHI BOMB. It’s pretty much free. So yes a spin dash = a free Yoshi bomb on your end. Some Sonics will try to repeat this over and over just to see if it was a fluke. Or the only way they know how to fight is the spin dash and have no back up plan. OOPS!
Another thing that will happen is Sonic will try to use a spin dash and jump in the air with it at the last second to hit you. When he attempts this while in egg roll JUMP while in egg roll. This will cause an air clash and if that happens we all know Yoshi has a pretty tight air game and this is a good time to rack some more damage up. Most Sonics attempt to do the F-air towards you or charge in a ball in the air (which makes them almost stationary) and usually the knock back from the clash puts Yoshi in a good position to land a good F-air.
Also if you are in the air and you see Sonic charging a homing attack Egg roll right where you are (as long as you are over some ground lol) and as you fall in place to the ground sometimes this will create yet another clash and you and sonic will both receive damage. You are probably thinking “well why not air dodge” because Sonic can land and prepare for another attack way quicker than you can land and attempt to hit. I’d rather receive clash damage and damage him a little bit than him landing a whole combo on me while im trying to land. Also if you both fall to the ground and he miss the homing attack and you are already rolling around at the speed of sound you can get a hit off of him if he is sloppy with his roll dodging.
At this point most Sonics did not know what to do and pretty much camped on one side of the stage and started to charge up their wind up punch in hopes we would egg roll into it but egg roll switches directions pretty fast and can avoid it while coming back in for more damage. Others just straight up said screw this and jumped off the stage just to end the match. As I said before a smart Sonic will STOP using the spin moves since they now know they can be canceled out in our favor and when that happens you can just stomp on him in anyway you please because a Sonic without his spin attacks is basically useless.
I’ll try to get more videos of this from my 3DS. I had some but then an update that happened last month? Apparently made my earlier videos unwatchable. I didn't notice this until 2 days ago so I pretty much lost a lot of my proof, which is weird because I thought Sakurai said he wasn't doing anymore balance patches. =/ Anyways, That’s my input and I hope it helps some of y’all out and remember it’s not a concrete way but it has given me the upper hand in MANY Sonic fights! I’m no longer afraid to fight him and I actually get excited without cringing when I see a Sonic now! =)
TL:DR - Fight Spin dash with spin dash. Responsibly spam egg roll against Sonic.
Ok Hi everyone noob here. I have been lurking around for a while but finally decided to make an account. Pretty much trying to learn how to become a better Yoshi player. He is the ONLY character I have ever used since the N64 days! I have come in second in a local smash 3DS tourney a few months back and I had a 85% 1v1 win rate before I started experimenting with fox (the closest I’ll ever get to Tails T_T ). I don’t consider myself pro at all tho a lot of my friends (who I can beat on the daily) tell me to enter more tourneys but before I even consider that I feel I need to get way better than I am now. Okay now that intros are out of the way…
I have been looking around and I didn’t see a thread for a Sonic Yoshi MU and I have been looking through the “The Nose Knows - Yoshi MU Portal” and nobody seems to have a solid way of beating Sonic. He is so aggravating to play against and used to be one of the hardest match ups for me but I found a way to make the matches a lot more bearable/manageable. I have been testing this for about 2 months now. I wanted to collect more attempts against Sonic players before I said anything about it so that way it didn’t look like I was pulling crap out of my behind. But this method seems to get me victories against Sonic way more often than not.
Now I know this is going to sound VERY VERY STUPID buuutttttt… EGG ROLL! Yes, egg roll, the dreaded attack that most Yoshi players would advise we never use. Yes, the same egg roll that many label useless or easy to get hit out of but IMO is the key to a Sonic match up. It’s not going to be a clean victory and it WILL hurt. You will basically be using your body as damage bait I’ll try to explain this the best I can.
Sonic as we all know, is a very fast and aggressive character who can be all up in our faces before we can even do anything. He is very hard to read due to the fact that all of his spin attacks look exactly the same so he can be a bit hard to approach. Sonic can land many hits and rack up a lot of damage in very little time without receiving much damage which can be very frustrating.
A lot of the advice (from here and reddit) I have read vs Sonic is generally in a nutshell is “good luck” or be patient and play more DEFENSIVELY. Shield often when he does his spin charges and try to hit him during the little bit of lag time he has afterwards. Honestly, it just didn’t work for me. I’d get slaughtered every time. Most Sonic’s from my observations will spam the ever living hell out the spin dash move and run circles around you and that is EXACTLY what you want them to do in this case. By using Egg Roll you can flip the tables on Sonic easily and force him to play more defensively and a Sonic with no spin attacks is basically a sitting duck!
When the match starts most Sonic’s will start with a spin dash because that the fastest way he can approach when you see this IMMEDIATELY egg roll towards him. If done right this should create a clash and cancel BOTH moves. Sometimes both Yoshi and Sonic WILL take damage but I prefer both of us taking damage than just me taking damage and remember that Yoshi has WAAAYYY more endurance than Sonic because he weighs more. It takes more effort/damage to knock Yoshi off the stage than Sonic and this works in our favor here. Anyways AS SOON as the clash happens YOSHI BOMB. It’s pretty much free. So yes a spin dash = a free Yoshi bomb on your end. Some Sonics will try to repeat this over and over just to see if it was a fluke. Or the only way they know how to fight is the spin dash and have no back up plan. OOPS!
Another thing that will happen is Sonic will try to use a spin dash and jump in the air with it at the last second to hit you. When he attempts this while in egg roll JUMP while in egg roll. This will cause an air clash and if that happens we all know Yoshi has a pretty tight air game and this is a good time to rack some more damage up. Most Sonics attempt to do the F-air towards you or charge in a ball in the air (which makes them almost stationary) and usually the knock back from the clash puts Yoshi in a good position to land a good F-air.
Also if you are in the air and you see Sonic charging a homing attack Egg roll right where you are (as long as you are over some ground lol) and as you fall in place to the ground sometimes this will create yet another clash and you and sonic will both receive damage. You are probably thinking “well why not air dodge” because Sonic can land and prepare for another attack way quicker than you can land and attempt to hit. I’d rather receive clash damage and damage him a little bit than him landing a whole combo on me while im trying to land. Also if you both fall to the ground and he miss the homing attack and you are already rolling around at the speed of sound you can get a hit off of him if he is sloppy with his roll dodging.
At this point most Sonics did not know what to do and pretty much camped on one side of the stage and started to charge up their wind up punch in hopes we would egg roll into it but egg roll switches directions pretty fast and can avoid it while coming back in for more damage. Others just straight up said screw this and jumped off the stage just to end the match. As I said before a smart Sonic will STOP using the spin moves since they now know they can be canceled out in our favor and when that happens you can just stomp on him in anyway you please because a Sonic without his spin attacks is basically useless.
I’ll try to get more videos of this from my 3DS. I had some but then an update that happened last month? Apparently made my earlier videos unwatchable. I didn't notice this until 2 days ago so I pretty much lost a lot of my proof, which is weird because I thought Sakurai said he wasn't doing anymore balance patches. =/ Anyways, That’s my input and I hope it helps some of y’all out and remember it’s not a concrete way but it has given me the upper hand in MANY Sonic fights! I’m no longer afraid to fight him and I actually get excited without cringing when I see a Sonic now! =)
TL:DR - Fight Spin dash with spin dash. Responsibly spam egg roll against Sonic.
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