Most painful fight: Lucas

[Rhambo]

I seriously have no idea what to do against him. If i try and attack him from a horizontal point, he can pk-fire spam, use the baseball bat, or his other projectiles. If i try to attack him from the top his insane up-smash can KO at 95?%. Even a good b-air approach can get you got in the up-smash hitbox. What can I do? (Tips for Final Destination only- I can handle him on battlefield!)

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (in advance!)

 

[Ragnar0k]

Shield PK fire then shield drop down b or tilts.

 

[Rhambo]

Shield PK fire then shield drop down b or tilts.

Shielding pk fire is hard (I'll practice though!)
And down-b can get me punished really badly. The problem with tilts is that I'm playing against this very campy Lucas who I can't approach close enough w/o being punished before i can land a tilt.

 

[ook]

Well basically, it's one of DK's easiest matchups. The Lucas forum just did a discussion not too long ago: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183767&page=23 so read that. It's from page 23-25


Basically, your ftilt outranges almost everything Lucas has. So you just walk in, shield the PK fire, and ftilt or fsmash him a lot. It shouldn't be too hard to shield the PK fire, since you know right before every time he does it, he yells "PK FIRE!" It's really predicatable.



Then, once you get him to 80-90%, either forward-smash him, down-smash him, or grab him, and he'll die. When you grab him, do a cargo, then turn around so he comes out the back, and wait for him to break out. As soon as he breaks out, do a dsmash. It's an inescapable KO.







Plus a lot of his moves are laggy, so punish him a lot with headbutts/dsmashes/up-b/down-b/whatever.




It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it PK fire can't really do much if you can shield it every time.

 

[Ville]

Just try to get closer to him, somewhen the stage has an end and that's your time.
Just hit him with F/D/U-tilt and rack up so damage to punish with D or normal smash.

 

[CBK]

No no what you should do is just grab him once and cargo him, from there turn Dk around and grab him when he falls out, it does 6% damage every time he escapes and it is a true infinite.

 

[PKNintendo]

Well basically, it's one of DK's easiest matchups. The Lucas forum just did a discussion not too long ago: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183767&page=23 so read that. It's from page 23-25


Basically, your ftilt outranges almost everything Lucas has. So you just walk in, shield the PK fire, and ftilt or fsmash him a lot. It shouldn't be too hard to shield the PK fire, since you know right before every time he does it, he yells "PK FIRE!" It's really predicatable.



Then, once you get him to 80-90%, either forward-smash him, down-smash him, or grab him, and he'll die. When you grab him, do a cargo, then turn around so he comes out the back, and wait for him to break out. As soon as he breaks out, do a dsmash. It's an inescapable KO.








Plus a lot of his moves are laggy, so punish him a lot with headbutts/dsmashes/up-b/down-b/whatever.




It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it PK fire can't really do much if you can shield it every time.

No. He you turn around, and wait for him, he can escape the downsmash. You must spin around many times, and THEN you have a chance to escape Fsmash to. (50% on where your opponent DI's)

Edit. DOWNSMASH!

 

[Luigi player]

Shielding pk fire is hard (I'll practice though!)

...online? Yes. Offline? No >_>

 

[Mith_]

Just grab and gimp.

After he uses his second jump, jump out and hit him with a fair.

 

[Tujex]

Unless your playing online...this match should be a cakewalk. Lucas has little to no advantages over DK, even on FD where he can attempt to spam the hell out of you. I find UpB pretty good for approaching spammers, shielding works against Lucas' projectiles which have heavy starting lag, and once in midrange you can literally molest this kid with DK's insane reach.

 

[i1337]

and once in midrange you can literally molest this kid with DK's insane reach.

almost sig'd...lol

 

[CBK]

All you have to do is infinite lucas and Ness it's ****ing one of the easiest things to do in the game.

 

[RP`]

Can you elaborate the infinite? I never heard about this. I am trying what you said on a lvl 9 bot and I can't get it right, because I think I am misinterpreting what you are trying to say. So I grab him, cargo, tap my control stick in the opposite direction, and wait?

 

[Tujex]

CPU's tend to be able to miraculously defy the physics of the game from my experience....

But that just might be me.

 

[CBK]

Okay what you do is you can keep turning around and around and as soon as they break free which ever direction instant grab that direction and you should grab them before they can jump or DI. Trust me it's rather impossible to get out no matter what they do.

Step 1. Grab

Step 2. Cargo *Forward throw*

Step 3. Begin to turn around until they break free.

Step 4. Grab in direction Lucas escaped cargo from.

Step 5. Repeat step 1 unless over 110 then refer to step 6.

Step 6. If above 110 then a safe downsmash or a donkey punch should kill said lucas or ness.

 

[RP`]

Gotcha, I got it now.

 

[CBK]

See this match is too easy.

 

[magikguy]

Sucks if DK has to rely on this tactic to win this match up

 

[Nokonoko]

Well, it doesn’t stop DDD, Wario, ICs …

 

[HiddenBowser]

LOL, I want to flame you so bad but I'm just not in the mood right now, lol.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Um, Lucas is a terrible character. Shouldn't be too tough to handle at all.

 

[Irsic]

...Um, what?

 

[HiddenBowser]

...Um, what?

umm... I think he said Lucas was a terrible character and shouldn't be a problem at all.

With that being said... Lucas is a terrible character and shouldn't be a problem at all.

 

[CBK]

He isn't but if you have that much trouble do this, it's so easy to beat lucas even if he is made to fight big characters Dk ***** him gimps up the *** and punish moves such as up b for spot dodging and down b for far dodges or approaches. B air beats almost all hims moves in all situations.

 

[HiddenBowser]

Use the cargo spin around grab release to d smash

 

[CBK]

Sir in the intructions already.

 

[HiddenBowser]

ehh whatever, who cares if someone posts something again... and you spelled instructions wrong

 

[i1337]

Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over.

 

[PKNintendo]

Okay what you do is you can keep turning around and around and as soon as they break free which ever direction instant grab that direction and you should grab them before they can jump or DI. Trust me it's rather impossible to get out no matter what they do.

Step 1. Grab

Step 2. Cargo *Forward throw*

Step 3. Begin to turn around until they break free.

Step 4. Grab in direction Lucas escaped cargo from.

Step 5. Repeat step 1 unless over 110 then refer to step 6.

Step 6. If above 110 then a safe downsmash or a donkey punch should kill said lucas or ness.

Sigh, you must RAPIDLY spin. Turning around THEN wait for a potentially Downsmash if they DI wrong. Donkey Punch? Okay, im done. The startup on the move allows Ness/Lucas to shield it. CPU's test don't cut it.

Also, lol this is coming from the guy who was in denial about Wario's CG on DK (true) which goes from 0-100% ish. Lucas can escape the regrab with decent DI. The DOWNsmash only works if you DI towards DK. Sigh.

 

[CBK]

Man I love how this guy who probably doesn't even play my character can tell me what works on Ness and Lucas. Man not to mention I've done this to the best Ness and Lucas players on the west coast, oh and man it works. I mean I know your probably used to your online gay matches where timing and proper anything doesn't matter. But what you need to know is in a real game, tournament matches Ness and Lucas will never beat a pro Dk unless that is banned. Trust me on this.


Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over.

 

[PKNintendo]

Man I love how this guy who probably doesn't even play my character can tell me what works on Ness and Lucas. Man not to mention I've done this to the best Ness and Lucas players on the west coast, oh and man it works. I mean I know your probably used to your online gay matches where timing and proper anything doesn't matter. But what you need to know is in a real game, tournament matches Ness and Lucas will never beat a pro Dk unless that is banned. Trust me on this.


Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over.

It doesn't matter if I was the best Ness in the world. Lack of knowledge=bad.

One grab doesn't=over.
It works like THIS.

DK grabs Ness/Lucas. DK turns around waits for Ness/Lucas to release. I just switch the direction I DI from. If you we're rapidly spinning, it's harder to time the direction. THERE IS NO REGRAB, it's only a downsmash if you get the wrong direction. I don't need to trust you,
since I know Ness (Lucas will get ***** lol) has hell of chance facing DK.

I can say a PKF is broken on DK since you can use a Bat after it. (DK stuck in it since he's heavy)

A pro DK will never beat a pro Wario, since he can grab him, and CG him from 0-110%. Those are the facts, not some lame brain Cargo (that you can SGB early on) to a downsmash.

Since the worst DK can get off Ness is a downsmash, whatever. And online is really ****ty, I wouldn't play that to determine anything important.

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[CBK]

It's not like I'm telling you this just to tell you this, tell you what MR PK. I would like to know where your from just so I know where your getting advice from because it sounds like something a Ness player would say before he got ****ed up by the chain throw.

I more want to know what big tournament you plan on attention so I can really show you how broken the grab on Ness and Lucas are. You have no Idea do you, you think you know but you don't.

Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over.

 

[i1337]

it Doesn't Matter If I Was The Best Ness In The World. Lack Of Knowledge=bad.

One Grab Doesn't=over.
It Works Like This.

Dk Grabs Ness/lucas. Dk Turns Around Waits For Ness/lucas To Release. I Just Switch The Direction I Di From. If You We're Rapidly Spinning, It's Harder To Time The Direction. There Is No Regrab, It's Only A Downsmash If You Get The Wrong Direction. I Don't Need To Trust You,
Since I Know Ness (lucas Will Get ***** Lol) Has Hell Of Chance Facing Dk.

I Can Say A Pkf Is Broken On Dk Since You Can Use A Bat After It. (dk Stuck In It Since He's Heavy)

A Pro Dk Will Never Beat A Pro Wario, Since He Can Grab Him, And Cg Him From 0-110%. Those Are The Facts, Not Some Lame Brain Cargo (that You Can Sgb Early On) To A Downsmash.

Since The Worst Dk Can Get Off Ness Is A Downsmash, Whatever. And Online Is Really ****ty, I Wouldn't Play That To Determine Anything Important.

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[PKNintendo]

It's not like I'm telling you this just to tell you this, tell you what MR PK. I would like to know where your from just so I know where your getting advice from because it sounds like something a Ness player would say before he got ****ed up by the chain throw.

I more want to know what big tournament you plan on attention so I can really show you how broken the grab on Ness and Lucas are. You have no Idea do you, you think you know but you don't.

Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over.

You said ''Play a good Dk and youll see what he means and dont let him get a hold of your top or its over'' Shut up about that. I've seen worse. The grab is not broken, i've tested it extensively. (easily Marth has it better) I don't give 2 ****s about Lucas.

I more want to know what big tournament you plan on attention so I can really show you how broken the grab on Ness and Lucas are. You have no Idea do you, you think you know but you don't.

No U.

I really know my stuff, this coming from the person who ''again'' said that Wario's 0-110% CG on DK was nothing, as he could outspace him with aerials/tilts or some **** like that.

Well Ness is like DK, except better at escaping grabs.

Here's a tip. Get a friend, pick Ness (and make sure he's DK) let him grab you. Spin the control stick in a 360 fashion and flick the C-stick extremely fast. At 0%, Ness will break out almost instantly. This is known as the Super Grab Break.

Now let's try the downsmash. Grab Ness and turn around. Let your friend (let's hope) has enough guff to turn around and DI away from DK. No downsmash.

Now try AGAIN, and grab Ness, spin around like a fairy, and let Ness release. If your LUCKY, Ness will wind up infront of you. (this can work on OTHEr characters too just so you know)
If Ness DI away from DK. No downsmash.

Got that? Or do I have to repeat is AGAIN?!

With the SGB, luck based grab release, 1 grab>death 100% (only at high %)
Unless your talking about a non-esisting CG you believe to exist. Then K.

 

[Rhambo]

Sorry guys I'm a terrible noob with DK. (I just started with him though, if that counts.)
And thank you for the tips, I finally beat him. 2-stocked him in fact. Twice.

 

[PKNintendo]

Sorry guys I'm a terrible noob with DK. (I just started with him though, if that counts.)
And thank you for the tips, I finally beat him. 2-stocked him in fact. Twice.

Because Lucas sucks, DK is good e.c.t.

This ''tactic'' is decent. (50% of the time)

 

[Rhambo]

Because Lucas sucks, DK is good e.c.t.

This ''tactic'' is decent. (50% of the time)

....? ok?

 

[CBK]

Look don't listen to that PK guy he doesn't know what he's talking about I want to show him. If I could know where he lives I'd show him he's totally talking out of his *** when talking about this subject. Either he doesn't know how to regrab correctly and assumes because he can't do it, that it's not possible.

Just telling you that it's easy and it's not hard and he doesn't understand the cargo grab at all, play DK and then talk to me.

 

[TechnoMonster]

CBK, come down to Vegas and I swear to god I will **** your **** with Lucas and put money on it, and I haven't mained that mother****er for like 6 months. There is NO reason a good Lucas should ever get grabbed by DK because DK sucks at grabbing people and Lucas' air game ***** grabs anyway. B-air seems quick to you kids because you're used to playing a big dumb monkey but it can't touch Lucas' aerial speed and priority. PK thunder ***** your recovery. But bla bla bla low tier low tier, what DK really can't touch and will never be able to touch not even if he had the motivation of a super pedophile is Lucas' nuts (aka D-air) which is so ****ing unstoppable on DK you're gonna wish it wasn't so **** unstoppable as ****. **** YEA

 

[Rhambo]

Can a mod please close this thread? I've already gotten the advice I needed and I don't want the donkey kong forums to be filled up with this ****...