MLG Anaheim Updates

[Smashboards]

Major League Gaming's Anaheim tournament for Super Smash Brothers Melee will features a traditional double elimination format. @Solid Jake confirmed on twitter that the switch from the overly complicated system used in Starcraft II will no longer be used for Super Smash Brothers Melee. Smashboards detailed this system back in March and can be seen here.

Remember the really confusing double championship bracket I talked about on MIOM? We're reverting back to a normal double elim bracket.

— Jake Kulinski (@SolidJakeGG) June 4, 2014

Solid Jake also confirmed that the tournament would not feature "extended series" matches that MLG has used in the past. In an "extended series" players results from previous matches in the winners bracket would carry over into the losers bracket.

Grand finals will no longer be Bo11. Will be a Bo5 and bracket will reset if player from losers bracket wins the set. Standard stuff.

— Jake Kulinski (@SolidJakeGG) June 4, 2014

The Anaheim event features a $15,000 prize pool and is likely to be one of the three largest Smash tournaments this summer alongside CEO and EVO. Details on pools have also been released and they will be structured as follows:

Pools

• 8 Players (6 Qualifier, 2 From Open Winners Bracket)
• Best of 5
• Matches will be played on stream Fri / Sat / Sun
• 1st and 2nd Place go to Champ Winners Semis
• 3rd and 4th Place go to Champ Losers 3
• 5th and 6th Place go to Champ Losers 2
• 7th and 8th Place go to Champ Losers 1

The MIOM blog details how this system might work - check it out here!

12 Qualified Players

There are twelve players who have already qualified for the final bracket at MLG Anaheim and they represent most of the best Super Smash Brothers Melee players in the world. Here's the list!

1. C9 | Mango
2. CRS | Hungrybox
3. P4K EMP | Mew2King
4. EG | PPMD
5. Leffen
6. Remen
7. EMP | Armada
8. SS | Soft
9. Westballz
10. VGBC | Amsa
11. CT | Zero
12. VGBC | Hax

Get full details on the event by going here!​

 

[Red Rice]

Damn, people really did play BO11 back in the old MLG days?

How did counterpicking even work back then

 

[KayB]

I didn't even know Hax made it. Good stuff.

 

[Djent]

This is good news. I've always argued that continuation sets are bull****.

One of the most objectively fair results of using double-elim. bracket(s) for the entire tournament is that every loss counts equally. A continuation set allows game losses from former sets to "carry over" to the new set.

For example, let's say I lose in WF 1-3. I then go on to win LF (yeah it's a stretch 'cuz I suck, but bear with me) and earn a rematch opportunity for GF. Normally, I'd have to win two Bo5 sets. But in the continuation set scenario, I have to win a single set. However, I have to take 5 games (3 for the new set + 2 to make up for my initial 1-3 deficit). Winning 5 games before your opponent wins 3 is arguably more difficult than say, winning 3-2 twice in a row.

Now let's say I lost to a different person than the one I'm now playing in finals. Instead of the continuation set, I get the normal win condition. Notice what this has done to the double-elim. format: it makes the form of my win condition dependent on the placings of other players. This is the same disadvantage that comes with the Round Robin format; exactly how much each loss matters depends on how that player did otherwise.

Except continuation sets don't have the inherent advantage of the RR format, which is a more accurate sampling of all possible player interactions. You're basically taking the worst of double-elim. (lower sampling rate) and RR (unequal weighting of losses) and combining it into one amalgamation of suckitude. I'm not sure whose brilliant idea this originally was, but I'm glad the decision has been reversed.

 

[Man Li Gi]

Remen....who is he? Everyone else I've seen, heard of everyone else, but not Remen.

 

[Zenmaioh]

sounds like an amazing event! something i've never been clear on though is when pools are over, do the losers in pools get eliminated from the tournament or are they put in loser's bracket?

i feel silly for asking what im sure is a simple question. :/

 

[Kewkky]

Remen....who is he? Everyone else I've seen, heard of everyone else, but not Remen.

Probably the new underdog we'll be cheering on this time. I can't say I'm not excited to find out who he is and how he plays.

 

[Osennecho]

Meh kinda sad he didn't make it Bo7. EU has done that a lot and it has created some incredibly hype sets. For a tournament of this caliber I feel it'd be perfect. Doesn't matter though Bo5 >>Bo11 lol

 

[DavemanCozy]

Probably the new underdog we'll be cheering on this time. I can't say I'm not excited to find out who he is and how he plays.

He's from Netherlands, he's the one who won the Japan MLG qualifier. aMSa placed 13th in that qualifier, btw, so I wouldn't say that Remen is an underdog if he managed to beat out all the Japanese competition.

 

[Kewkky]

He's from Netherlands, he's the one who won the Japan MLG qualifier. aMSa placed 13th in that qualifier, btw, so I wouldn't say that Remen is an underdog if he managed to beat out all the Japanese competition.

Well, I meant underdog as in the guy who's not one of the recognized top players and who's appearing seemingly out of nowhere in the international scene, kicking ass. Can't say I've heard of him before though, not many people talk about the netherlands' scene besides the obvious players.

 

[Sqa$]

Good on the people who are already qualified. I like the list so far, especially seeing aMSa, Remen, and Armada. For whatever reason, I like the international players a lot and enjoy watching them play. Looking forward to this.

 

[strawhats]

Probably the new underdog we'll be cheering on this time. I can't say I'm not excited to find out who he is and how he plays.

Remen was the best player in Europe during the early years of the european smash scene from 2004, then EK took over in 2005 (later defeated by Amsah, who reigned from 06/07- late 2008> Armada's reign began thereafter). So essentially Remen is Europe's first champion, and also is a really good fox/falco main who still manages to take sets off of Amsah and Zgetto (the top 2 players in the Netherlands) I believe Remen beat Chu at Pound IV.

 

[Kewkky]

Remen was the best player in Europe during the early years of the european smash scene from 2004, then EK took over in 2005 (later defeated by Amsah, who reigned from 06/07- late 2008> Armada's reign began thereafter). So essentially Remen is Europe's first champion, and also is a really good fox/falco main who still manages to take sets off of Amsah and Zgetto (the top 2 players in the Netherlands) I believe Remen beat Chu at Pound IV.

Thanks for the info. I was there at Pound 4, but I didn't hear any talk about him while in the venue.

 

[strawhats]

no prob man.

 

[Battlecow]

Lookin' good.

 

[Acryte]

Good decision

 

[Rambeard]

I'm glad they switched to the usual format for Smash.

 

[The Prince: SDJ]

SO i spend 5 hours figuring out the old bs bracket only for it to change....