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Imo it should have been banned a long time ago.
Josh Beach has some good points.
Here's his post:
"Hello MIOM & friends,
Prompt: I’m removing Pokemon Stadium from all Melee Singles events that I am running and I highly encourage your local TO’s to do the same. IMO it’s in the interest of increasing the longevity of the metagame and therefore our community and we’re only hurting ourselves by keeping it on. Agree? Background information below (read if you’re going to comment).
My tag is Beach. I’m a prominent TO in Michigan, only eclipsed by the legendary Juggleguy and pride myself on being his right-hand man who’s helped innovate some of our TOing in the state as well as being a ranked player in Michigan.
As a stage (primary reason):
As a stage it contains within it 5 stages, 3-4 of which would be banned if they were standalone stages. Why then should it be ok to have “banned” stages be OK as long as it’s only for 30 seconds? We shouldn’t.
The edges of the stage are janky and also effect players, but due to this not being random it can be adjusted to. There is no question this is not a benefit of the stage though.
The stage has random effects that can affect the outcome of the game:
https://gfycat.com/DopeyLikableLangur
Look at the Moon’s face. That wasn’t expected, shouldn’t have happened, and the Moon had to recover from his surprise and get right back in the game. It’s awesome he did, but there is no question this shouldn’t be OK in high stakes games. Other chars/players couldn’t have made it back on stage or wouldn’t have reacted in time. It’s unjust to get punished for something you cannot prepare for and is out of your control.
How it affects the meta (secondary):
I know, I know, we are not supposed to judge stage merit based on the metagame and cast. The problem is that the game has been out 14 years now and it’s about time we face the truth that although melee has many years left, we likely are halfway through (or more) the games life. I’m interested in making sure that the rest of the cast (not marth/falco/fox) has the best possible chance of competing as long as possible and leaving PS on does NOT help. If I have to really go into detail as to how the stage benefits the top 3 (fox/falco/marth) and especially Fox more than the most of the rest of the cast, then I’m not sure you should be a part of this discussion. I can elaborate on all points, but this should suffice.
Moving forward, there will be no Pokemon Stadium in any melee singles tournament I run. The solution to Bo5 sets, for now, is that you are allowed to always CP back to the neutral stage. You deemed it neutral, so there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to go back. Until a better ruleset is presented to deal with Bo5 sets, this is what I will run."
Edit: Some people even bring up the idea of hacked stages and stuff, as cool as they are, I don't think this will ever happen.
Imo it should have been banned a long time ago.
Josh Beach has some good points.
Here's his post:
"Hello MIOM & friends,
Prompt: I’m removing Pokemon Stadium from all Melee Singles events that I am running and I highly encourage your local TO’s to do the same. IMO it’s in the interest of increasing the longevity of the metagame and therefore our community and we’re only hurting ourselves by keeping it on. Agree? Background information below (read if you’re going to comment).
My tag is Beach. I’m a prominent TO in Michigan, only eclipsed by the legendary Juggleguy and pride myself on being his right-hand man who’s helped innovate some of our TOing in the state as well as being a ranked player in Michigan.
As a stage (primary reason):
As a stage it contains within it 5 stages, 3-4 of which would be banned if they were standalone stages. Why then should it be ok to have “banned” stages be OK as long as it’s only for 30 seconds? We shouldn’t.
The edges of the stage are janky and also effect players, but due to this not being random it can be adjusted to. There is no question this is not a benefit of the stage though.
The stage has random effects that can affect the outcome of the game:
https://gfycat.com/DopeyLikableLangur
Look at the Moon’s face. That wasn’t expected, shouldn’t have happened, and the Moon had to recover from his surprise and get right back in the game. It’s awesome he did, but there is no question this shouldn’t be OK in high stakes games. Other chars/players couldn’t have made it back on stage or wouldn’t have reacted in time. It’s unjust to get punished for something you cannot prepare for and is out of your control.
How it affects the meta (secondary):
I know, I know, we are not supposed to judge stage merit based on the metagame and cast. The problem is that the game has been out 14 years now and it’s about time we face the truth that although melee has many years left, we likely are halfway through (or more) the games life. I’m interested in making sure that the rest of the cast (not marth/falco/fox) has the best possible chance of competing as long as possible and leaving PS on does NOT help. If I have to really go into detail as to how the stage benefits the top 3 (fox/falco/marth) and especially Fox more than the most of the rest of the cast, then I’m not sure you should be a part of this discussion. I can elaborate on all points, but this should suffice.
Moving forward, there will be no Pokemon Stadium in any melee singles tournament I run. The solution to Bo5 sets, for now, is that you are allowed to always CP back to the neutral stage. You deemed it neutral, so there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to go back. Until a better ruleset is presented to deal with Bo5 sets, this is what I will run."
Edit: Some people even bring up the idea of hacked stages and stuff, as cool as they are, I don't think this will ever happen.
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