Minimum of 33 Characters

[susu_atari]

It has come to my attention that this thread may be too complicated for many of you. Please refrain from (do not) post unless you have read, and understand the original post. Thankyou.

OK. I've been doing a little thinking, and a little predicting, and I've decided that we're probably looking at a current MINIMUM of 33 characters, with an expected 40 in total.

The minimum is worked out based on an assumption that no series will recieve less representation in Brawl than it did in Melee.

The first column is how much representation the series had in Melee, the second is how much we know the series to have in Brawl already. The third is the aforementioned minimum.

The fourth column is a realistic expected number of characters for that series, based on Sakurai's character poll.

Mario___ 5 3 5 5
Yoshi___ 1 1 1 1
DK______ 1 2 2 3
F-Zero__ 1 0 1 1
Zelda___ 4 2 4 4
Starfox_ 2 1 2 2
Mother__ 1 1 1 2
Retro___ 2 2 2 4
Kirby___ 1 3 3 3
Metroid_ 1 2 2 3
Pokemon_ 4 2 4 4
F.E.____ 2 1 2 2
Wario___ 0 1 1 1
A.C.____ 0 0 0 1
Pikmin__ 0 0 0 1
3rd_____ 0 2 3 3

The characters I have taken into account from the poll are Geno, Ridley, Olimar, Krystal and Takamaru, as the highest-voted, and Animal Crossing MC, Claus OR Jeff and King K. Rool, as the next highest-voted for series already represented (Animal Crossing, Mother and Donkey Kong).

Note that retro characters (Pit, Ice Climbers) and 3rd party characters are in the same catagory for simplicity. Roy-Kun tells me that Sakurai said there were "one, maybe two" characters joining Snake for the 3rd Party characters. Considering the seemingly recent addition on Sonic (based on the lack of different colours in the demo) I am assuming the "maybe two" is Sonic, making the minimum 3.

After much deliberation, I think my figures are now correct. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Please don't clog this thread with character rosters.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Hm, I have to disagree...

I'd say for a minimum, there should be 37 characters, while for a max 45 or maybe 47.

And the representors... Mario's series's realistic limit (in your thinking) worries me, a lot, it's the same number of representors in Melee, so with the Zelda series, Pokémon series, Star Fox series and Fire Emblem series.

Oh, didn't you know? Sakurai stated that only 1 more... MAYBE 2 (Snake not included) third-party characters will appear... and with Sonic confirmed, time will tell if there is ever going to be another one.

And... howcome you added Pikmin? Was it confirmed to appear?

 

[susu_atari]

Thanks from the info about the 3rd party characters. I'll change my figures.

Also, I explained my reasons for the figures in detail. Apart from the 3rd party characters, they're all correct if, as I explained, you give no series less representation than it recieved in Melee, and add characters based on those that were near at top of Sakurai's poll.

 

[exidid]

Personally, I'd like less than 35 characters. Too many characters would be confusing and deepless.

 

[the grim lizard]

I disagree with DK, Metroid, and SF, but I'd say your logic is reasonable.

edit: "deepless"? Proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Xanderous]

Personally, I'd like less than 35 characters. Too many characters would be confusing and deepless.

Those are horrible reasons. "I don't want a lot of characters because my brain can't handle it."

 

[exidid]

Those are horrible reasons. "I don't want a lot of characters because my brain can't handle it."

Yes, those are...

I don't know how to explain it, it's just something I wouldn't like.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

I really hope that they go beyond the minimum. Melee's 25 characters felt way too restricting, seeing as I only really liked half of them.

And just to clear something up, the most likely candidate for the last 3rd party spot is Megaman, because it's pretty much agreed upon (And I think Sakurai said it himself. Anyone got the link?) that if Geno shows up, he'll count as a Mario character. So they both can be in! :D

 

[Pluvia's other account]

If all the clones except for Ganondorf and Falco are taken out, that means that we'll have!

(Dramatic Music!)

33 Characters!!

Add Olimar, Ridley, Geno, Krystal, Isaac, Takumaru, Claus, Lucario, That AC Rep, WW Link, Bowser Jr and you get!

44 Characters!

I'm sure I'm missing some. My guess is 42-45 Characters, as that seems the best bet.

 

[Boofer]

My ideal would be about 40, but I agree...33 actually sounds reasonable.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

A total of 49 fighters (excluding transformations) is possible, especially if All-Star Mode comes back.

 

[Boofer]

A total of 49 fighters (excluding transformations) is possible, especially if All-Star Mode comes back.

I'm sorry, but I don't think 49 is realistic. Don't get me wrong, I'd love that many characters, but I think you're being a bit too optimistic. You might be setting yourself up for a let down. (I hope I'm wrong though).

 

[Johnknight1]

Expecting less then 35 (or 38) characters is retarted. I am almost postive we'll get 42 or 43 MINIMUM, with the delay. Seriously, if Nintendo has HAL Laboratory, "the developer", APE, the Pokémon Company, Game Freak, Koonami, Kojima Productions, SEGA, the Sonic Team, Sora, Retro Studios, and several other developers working on a game and have 33 characters, what would be the point=??? Seriously, anyone here ACTUALLY SEE the Nintendo Fall Press Conference Speech by Nintendo's PResident=??? He said that they were trying to add more characters, fix the gameplay mechanics, and create Super Smash Bros. PERFECTION. And probably the biggest part of Super Smash Bros. PERFECTION is PLAYABLE CHARACTERS.

Reasons why I think there will be a 42 or 43 character roster minimum:

1.No one expected Melee's roster to be ABOVE 20!

2.Clones=the way to please everyone, as needed. And the truth is if you think clones suck, you are mistaken. YOU ACTUALLY SUCK!

3.Because they want to please FANBASES. This is super smash bros. Brawl, not super smash bros. minority. *points at Sonic*

4.If Nintendo isn't putting THEIR ALL INTO MAKING the most important and future best selling Wii game, why the hell should we even bother=???

5.Sakurai has yet to disappoint us with roster size.

6.the Subspace Emissary, Wi-fi Online play, Stadium Modes, new Special Brawls, items, Pokéball Pokémon, Assist Trophies, Final Smashes, New Physics, Original Newcomers, Revamp Returnies, Trophies, Stickers, etc. Proof that they are adding lots of content.

7.Next to pyhsics, NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A BIG, BALANCED ROSTER.

8.Because Sakurai promised to please us. What better way then with a big, diverse, and awsome roster=???

9.Pyshics > Character Roster Size/Balance/Originality (we already have the later, and a lot of it) > Stages > Online > Gameplay Options/Features > Custmoization > Items > Adventure Modes > Final Smashes > Assist Trophies > Event Matches > STADIUM Mode(s) > Trophies > Stickers > 4CHAAAAANNNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!!!



10.Don't make me say more points I'm right. I'M RIGHT, YOUR NOT! HAHA, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH A 42 or 43 CHARACTER ROSTER MINIMUM THAT IS ORIGNAL AND BALANCED. SUCKS TO BE YOU!

signed,
-Nintendo
-the everly SUPER AWSOME ~His Knightlyness Himself~ Johnknight1!

 

[shipoffools]

i dont understand why people wouldnt as many players as possible. the more depth, the more variables you can have for a match, the more exciting it is to play the game. people that are worried that too many characters screw up the balance..who cares? if you look at the million 'how to get good at smash' threads in the melee forums, you'll see that most say tiers arnt important, just get good at who you want. the more options the better i say. to make everyone happy, they should put all the melee players back in, and thencombined that with the known newcomers plus the characters with major support. this would probably give us somewhere around 50-55.
we all know that the characters are the main reason we play smash. the combination of the best of every game franchise comming together to create one 'super game' is what brings in the money, and nintendo knows that. so why wouldnt they have as much as the money making appeal as possible? i dont see how they can afford to not put a minimum of 45 charcters in brawl. and theres no reason why theyre couldnt be, especially after the original brawl release date got pushed back over a grand total of 14 months and the surplus amount of room on the wii discs compared to the GC's discs.



well at least this thread didnt turn into another how many characters speculation thread..........

 

[error_alt_delete]

minimum, 40 max 50 those are my predictions.
this isnt being genorous from my point of veiw.

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

There should be 50 fighters :D

 

[Ashes13]

I think we'll get about 42 characters +/- 2.

 

[happynoodleboy]

whoa... deja vu! I swear i've seen this thread before! >_>

 

[Hong]

My logical roster has 36, with a margin of error of 2. So that's kind of what I expect.

 

[Boofer]

If we were given one character a week until the U.S. release, I think we'd have about 38 total(give or take a few). I believe we have about as many characters as there have been weeks since the dojo started, so we've basically gotten a character per week.

Of course, it's possible that he could change it up, and I expect him to do so closer to the U.S. and Japanese release date. We'll see, but I think we'll have 35 - 40 characters. Hopefully it's closer to the 40 mark.

ps. I apologize if something similar has been said before.

 

[LinkSpecialist]

To thoses who say the game will have under 35 characters: Do you guys honestly think that after waiting 7 years for a Melee sequel you only want 10 more characters? Are you kidding? What's the point of that? No, that's too little of a number for waiting so long for the next Smash. Think about it, the first Smash Bros had 12 characters. Melee was released with more than double the characters with 25 of them. Now there's Brawl, what to do, what to do...nobody really knows for sure what the final roster number is going to be, but I'd like the see at least 40 characters and at the most 50+. Call me crazy, but That's what I'd like to see. There is something that worries me though. 40- might be the right number because many potential charaters in the game have become ATs. This cuts the number some, Oh well.

 

[Venoxxis.]

minimum, 40 max 50 those are my predictions.
this isnt being genorous from my point of veiw.

same here.

 

[MFZ95]

why people want less characters,think of the chances!,Mii,Krystal,Lucario and Kinnikuman!

 

[zagman505]

i personally want to see upwards of 50 characters (increases isaac's chances of getting =D) but realistically i'd say around 40?

 

[Big-Cat]

Wall of text.

You have said it best. I think we'll have 45 for the minimum.

Here's my take on the default roster. Red are newcomers and Blue are unconfirmed characters.

1. Mario (Dr. Mario as an alt.)
2. Luigi
3. Bowser
4. Peach (Daisy as an alt.)
5. Yoshi
6. Wario
7. Zelda/Sheik
8. Link
9. Ganondorf
10. Samus Aran/Zero Suit Samus (Fusion Suit as an alt.)
11. Ridley
12. Donkey Kong
13. Diddy Kong
14. Fox
15. Krystal
16. Lucas
17. Kumatora
18. Pikachu
19. Jigglypuff
20. Pokemon Trainer
21. Kirby
22. King Dedede
23. Meta Knight
24. Captain Falcon
25. Ice Climbers
26. Mr. Game and Watch
27. Pit
28. Olimar
29. Tom Nook
30. Ike

Now, for the hidden characters:

1. 
   [*]Geno
   [*]Captain Syrup
   [*]Ashley
   [*]Young Link (based on WW Link)
   [*]K. Rool
   [*]Falco
   [*]Claus
   [*]Mewtwo
   [*]Lucario
   [*]Pico
   [*]Jody Summers
   [*]Andy
   [*]Stafy
   [*]Isaac
   [*]Lip
   [*]Ray 01
   [*]Sukapon
   [*]Takamaru
   [*]Marth
   [*]Micaiah
   [*]Solid Snake
   [*]Sonic the Hedgehog
   [*]Megaman
   [*]Haruhi Suzumiya

This is a grand total of 53 (Haruhi is just a joke.). This is well over 45 characters but it's possible that this may happen.

For those of you who care,

Guys: 42.5 if I counted right (included all robots and Pokemon except Jigglypuff and I consider the Ice Climbers to be 1/2)

Girls: 10.5

Percent:

Guys:~80%

Girls:~20%

 

[EPX2]

I'm expecting around 40 characters (I think those of you who are expecting less than 35/over 50 are being very, very unrealistic). My own personal roster ended up at 42 (not including transformations and the PT's Pokemon).

 

[NotGiratina]

I'm guessing roughly 33-45,could be wrong, here's my list

Mario Metaverse

The Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Jr.(disputed)
Wario
DK
Diddy
Yoshi

LOZ

Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Sheik(seperately)

Kaabi

Kirby
Meta knight
DeDeDe

Metroid

Samus/ZSS
Ridley(classic,Meta as FS or costume)

Mother

Lucas

Pokemon

Demonchu err... I mean Pika(it's evil!)
PT
Jigglypuff
Lucario/Mewtwo/Darkrai (it's a closer race than most people think)

FE

Marth
Ike
Micaiah(disputed)

Classic

Ice climbers
Pit
Mr. Game and Watch

other modern series
Ray mk 3/01/mk 2 (disputable)
Villager
Orima

3rd (I honestly think that's all we'll get in this category)

Sonic
Solid snale

grand total of:35
My opinion:bigrocket

 

[Voyager]

Tom Nook

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Big-Cat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I haven't used this in a while.

It's not like the Animal Crosser is a better choice.

 

[Voyager]

I haven't used this in a while.

It's not like the Animal Crosser is a better choice.

Well most of your roster prediciton is good, 52/53 of them havent appeared in the background of a stage and thus been practically deconfirmed.

 

[GKirby]

Alright here is what may be the character roster from my perspective...

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser


5. Cpt. Falcon

6. Lucas
7. Masked Man/Claus


8. Zelda/Sheik
9. Link

10. Ice Climbers

11. Fox
12. Falco

13. Kirby
14. Meta Knight
15. King Dedede

16. Solid Snake

17. Sonic

18. Pokemon Trainer
19. Pikachu
20. JigglyPuff

21. Wario

22. Pit

23. Samus / Zero Suit
24. Ridley

25. Ike

26. Yoshi

27. Ganondorf

28. Mr. Game n Watch

29. MegaMan

30. Captain Olimar

31. Isaac

32. Micaiah

33. Krystal

More? Well i don't know i just thought those would be the best possible for the first 33 since they seem to be the most popular and the ones that we can arrange a move set easily for.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Thanks from the info about the 3rd party characters. I'll change my figures.

Also, I explained my reasons for the figures in detail. Apart from the 3rd party characters, they're all correct if, as I explained, you give no series less representation than it recieved in Melee, and add characters based on those that were near at top of Sakurai's poll.

Sakurai's words, I take them somewhat seriously, but I agree.

I still go with a minimum of 37 characters, want to know my ideal roster (45 chars)? No? Aww come on, I'll post it anyways =/

Spoiler

Mario Series: 1) Mario 2) Bowser 3) Peach 4) Luigi 5) Geno 6) Bowser Jr. 7) Baby Mario/Baby Luigi (Ice Climbers-like)

Zelda Series: 8) Link 9) Zelda 10) Ganondorf 11) Vaati 12) Skull Kid

Kirby Series: 13) Kirby 14) Meta Knight 15) King Dedede

Metroid Series: 16) Samus 17) Zero Suit Samus 18) Ridley

Star Fox Series: 19) Fox 20) Falco 21) Krystal 22) Wolf

MOTHER/Earthbound series: 23) Lucas 24) Ness

Pokémon Series: 25) Pikachu 26) Pokémon Trainer 27) Mewtwo 28) Lucario 29) Jigglypuff

Fire Emblem Series: 30) Marth 31) Sigurd 32) Roy 33) Ike

Golden Sun Series: 34) Isaac 35) Felix

WarioWare series: 36) Wario

Classics: 37) Pit 38) Ice Climbers 39) Mr. Game and Watch

3rd Parties: 40) Snake 41) Sonic 42) Megaman

Others: 43) Takamaru 44) Ray 01 45) Andy

It's my liking, but well, it might not be yours.

 

[vesperview]

I'm guessing max 36 to 40.

 

[susu_atari]

Please refrain from posting character rosters... there's a lot of places to do that. That's not what this thread is for. If you have a LOGICAL reason why the minimum number of characters IS (not should be) 37, then please enlighten me.

Also, does anybody have a link to Sakurai stating that Geno would count as a 1st-party Mario character?

 

[Roy-Kun]

Please refrain from posting character rosters... there's a lot of places to do that. That's not what this thread is for. If you have a LOGICAL reason why the minimum number of characters IS (not should be) 37, then please enlighten me.

Also, does anybody have a link to Sakurai stating that Geno would count as a 1st-party Mario character?

Because 6 years has passed since Melee was made, more franchises will be included.

Also, the current franchises have gained even more characters, increasing the roster.

Is that a good reason? Yes. Oh also, people want more than that. Another reason. ^_^

 

[NukeA6]

33? Let's see:

1. Mario
2. Kirby
3. Pikachu
4. Link
5. Wario
6. Samus/Zamus
7. Pit
8. Metaknight
9. Snake
10. Fox
11. Zelda
12. Bowser
13. Peach
14. Yoshi
15. Donkey Kong
16. Diddy Kong
17. Ice Climbers
18. King DeDeDe
19. Lucas
20. Ike
21. Pokemon Trainer
22. Sonic
23. Ganondorf
24. Krystal
25. Marth
26. Olimar
27. Megaman
28. Micaiah
29. Lip
30. Lucario
31. Mid...

Nope I disagree. 40 is what I predict. I don't expect anymore than that.

 

[skyblue]

Hmmm...let me try...

Mario:

1) Mario
2) Luigi
3) Peach
4) Bowser

Yoshi:

5) Yoshi

Donkey Kong:

6) Donkey Kong
7) Diddy Kong

Kirby:

8) Kirby
9) Meta Knight
10) King DeDeDe

F-Zero:

11) Captain Falcon

Star Fox:

12) Fox
13) Krystal

Legend of Zelda:

14) Link
15) Zelda
16) Sheik
17) Ganondorf

Mother:

18) Lucas

Metal Gear:

19) Snake

Metroid:

20) Samus
21) Zero Suit Samus

Sonic the Hedgehog:

22) Sonic

Fire Emblem:

23) Ike

Kid Icarus:

24) Pit

Pokemon:

25) Pikachu
26) Pokemon Trainer

Pikmin:

27) Captain Olimar

Ice Climbers:

28) Ice Climbers

WarioWare:

29) Wario

HOPEFULLY:

1) Falco
2) Micaiah
3) Ridley
4) Mr. G&W
5) Lucario
6) Another Pokemon
7) Another 3rd Party Character (Geno, Megaman, etc.)
8) Another Fire Emblem character
9) Another Zelda character
10) Ray-01
11) ?
12) ?
13) ?
14) ?
15) ?
16) ?


40 - 50 characters.

 

[freeman123]

How do you get 33 as the minimum? The minimum, based on your theory, should be 34. Unless you counted Wario as a Mario character.

 

[Rubydragon]

I expect around 40 characters, though I hope it's more to give Isaac more chances. =)

 

[FaceGuy]

I don't see why so many people think that Tom Nook being in the background of Smashville confirms that he won't be a character. If he is playable, there's no reason for him to just not appear in the background if he's being used.

I also think that anyone saying 40 is the minimum are having trouble realising what the definition of 'minimum' is. We currently know of 23 characters (counting Zero Suit Samus as separate), and it's more or less certain that there are several more characters left that will be revealed, and quite likely that some won't be until someone plays the game and unlocks them. Based on this and taking into account likely unannounced returning characters, 35-ish is probably the "minimum". More than that seems likely though. Although a lot of the information used to come to that conclusion is based on evidence and not proof, so really the minimum is just 23. Personally I would expect about 40, maybe up to 50, but I think expecting 50 is a bit silly, really.