Mini Mafia Game Thread | Newbies are welcome! | Town wins Gheb's game | Zen next to host!

[~ Gheb ~]

But for what it's worth I'm not very convinced by these flavor connections, for various reasons.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

****ing told you Gorf was scum

 

[Jdietz43]

Hmm. Seems like fireman has the most but thats too obv imo

Too obvious, or exactly obvious enough?

But for what it's worth I'm not very convinced by these flavor connections, for various reasons.

They aren't really very telling for obvious reasons, but it was worth a gander. We should still be lynching on play here

 

[Orboknown]

Flavor inconclusive,return to your scheduled fight to the death programming

 

[Jdietz43]

Essentially here we're deciding whether it's safer to lynch Rake first and risk him being the lynchee or to kill TRG first and risk Rake being lyncher.
#captainobvious



I'm leaning towards TRG lynch atm because of original play and a self protecting doc claim I still don't believe, but any play is possible.

Rake is ostensibly the "safe" play, but it doesn't actually feel all that safe to me between Gheb consistently being willing to have him go and TRG > Rake always being fully possible.
#swagyolo

 

[Orboknown]

I want to see trgs huge post.

 

[Jdietz43]

I want to see trgs huge post.

Me too.

Lay it on us TRG

 

[The Real Gamer]

Dietz/Orbo I'm going to make a final case and then back out and let you guys decide what you want to do since the fate of this game is in your hands now.

1) I'm going to start by admitting that the first half of my play this game has been really ****ing bad based on my own standards. My anger towards Rake + my anger towards the fact that I was initially scumread by Dietz because of the question Rake asked me (which I still think is a baseless question when it comes to scumhunting but that doesn't matter anymore) was 100% genuine. I allowed my anger to get the best of me which caused me to drop playing Mafia the way I normally do. I wasn't scumhunting at all I was just playing angry by trying to do whatever I could to out Rake and prove that he was wrong in the process (take note of the fact that I didn't care whether he was town or scum at that point in the game). I legitimately thought Rake was just playing extremely bad based on his stubbornness but at this point I now realize he's been playing a damn good game by using his meta to his advantage to get what he wants.

So if you guys do another re-read I implore the both of you to focus on my content past the following post:

I was planning on it up until "THE QUESTION."

Not ****ing kidding when I kept saying it was suspicious as **** to me. I legit saw scum intent behind it and thought I was actually doing myself a favor for not entertaining a post like that until it somehow lead to a scum read by Dietz. The rest is history.

But no point in arguing over spilled milk, and honestly who gives a **** about who's at fault here cause as far as I'm concerned this game is still live and it's a game I intend to win.

This is the point where my anger towards Rake dissipated and I actually started scum hunting like I normally do for the first time, which brings up my next major point I wanted to focus on...

2) My intention to self hammer. I was being 100% genuine in thinking that being lynched and then vetoed by the Governor would reveal my role to everyone and then clear me as Town Doctor. Once again my fault for not thoroughly understanding how the Governor power role actually works. This is why I was initially so adamant about thinking Zen/Gorf was town, because I THOUGHT they were legit trying to clear me as Town Doctor. Orbo once you and Rake clarified the rules that's when I was finally able to piece everything together which lead to my scum read on Zorf and my willingness to lynch him DESPITE the fact that I knew I was giving up the one safety net I had in this game and giving the keys to you and Dietz. If I were Lyncher would I really be focused on outing Mafia and allowing the 2 people who had scumreads on me to have power or would I keep the one person who would do whatever they could to block my lynch regardless of their alignment and focus on outing my Lynchee instead (which in this case everyone thinks is Rake)? So now I can move on to point numero tres...

3) IF I'M NOT LYNCHER, WHO IS? Can't say for certain, but nobody can and that's the beauty of Mafia. For me... My educated guess would be Rake. At first it was just personal reasons, but with a clear head I can now say with confidence that I'm making the most accurate guess I can. Summary as to why:
a) The way he bandwagoned on Dietz's scum read on me and then went on to attempt to claim that he started the wagon himself, which is a load of crap. Dietz was the first person to scum read me. He also noticed Orbo was a bit iffy on me for his own personal reasons. IMO Rake saw the opportunity and ran with it, then took credit for it to make it seem as if his wagon on me was legit.
b) The way he has been 100% insistent throughout this game that he knows with unquestionable doubt I'm scum. I already know this point can be defended by bringing up his meta, but those opinions don't mean apply to me since I can't use meta on Rake. So for me? Based on the small amount of mafia games I've played so far I'd argue that overconfidence is a scumtell. A town player should NEVER be so confident in a read that they're willing to "GIVE UP MAFIA FOR GOOD" if their read is wrong. It's the main reason I was able to ping Gorf in our previous game since he claimed he was "100% sure about Kary flipping scum. But is Rake really that confident in his read on me? Or is he really just Indy abusing his "overconfident" meta as a means of pushing my lynch as quickly and easily as possible?
c) The fact that he was the ONLY player other than Zorf (aka scum #1) that wanted me to self vote without the consent of Gheb or Dietz. If Rake was really a Town team player wouldn't he at least wait for Gheb/Dietz to give their opinions on what Town should do? Or did Rake see the opportunity to out his lynchee and end the game right then and there?
d) Overall (AND TO ME PERSONALLY), Rake's entire game screams opportunistic Lyncher relying on his meta as a means of pushing his Lynchee wagon as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Orbo and Dietz the ball is your court now. What you see above isn't a plea to explain why I'm right. All I'm trying to do is equip you guys with enough information to make the best decision possible here. What I've giving you here is 1) Admitting that the first half of my D1 play has been bad 2) Showing why I'm not lyncher despite my initially scummy D1 play and 3) Why I think Rake is most likely lyncher.

And with that I have nothing else to really add for this day phase. If you guys need me to explain anything else (why I did something or why I didn't do something) feel free to ask.

Good luck dudes

 

[Orboknown]

I need to stew on this

 

[Orboknown]

Rake can you slam dunk a post together.explaining your play and intents wrt major pushes

 

[Orboknown]

I think i want to reread

 

[~ Gheb ~]

****ing told you Gorf was scum

Should be lynched just for that comment tbh.

 

[Orboknown]

Six people created 22 pages of content in three ****ing days. Jesus Christ we have no lives XD

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm inclined to agree, but lets see what Rake has to say here

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's what happens when the most consistently active players get together during holidays to play mafia :3

 

[Orboknown]

NGL I'm inclined to say trgs bis post is town ir one hell of a well crafted AtE

 

[Jdietz43]

Orbo would you be mad if Gheb was lyncher if we lynch Rake y/n?

 

[Orboknown]

I would be more disappointed in misreading trg up to this point. Ghebs played solidly enough for me not to mind

 

[Jdietz43]

Then we should lynch Rake and let the chips fall where they may.

Rake has been piggybacking off my initial push for reads on TRG for most of the game, and that's a fact that I know we're both fully aware of, and it really can't be ignored. I'd be comfortable if he'd given his input on other matters, but really he's only been interested in TRG and Zen so far and none else.

We can lynch TRG toMorrow if we're wrong and lynchee luck is a lady.

 

[Jdietz43]

Vote: Rake

It will make Zen and Gorf happy desu uggu too as Xonar might say.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This set-up is stupid. Can't get any lynch done without the threat of a lyncher winning.

 

[Orboknown]

I call hammah

 

[Jdietz43]

Yep.

That's why lynchers in a closed are like: a no-no and almost always explicitly stated not to exist in the mod OP.

 

[Orboknown]

I don't say this often
But i agree with gheb

 

[Orboknown]

Rake>trg>Gheb if nothing bad happens

 

[Orboknown]

Probably anyways

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not putting Rake at -1 yet. I think we should at least discuss what we're going to do if he flips town and game's not over by then. I'm not comfortable going straight TRG after that and would at least think about whether Orbo or Dietz might be lyncher.

 

[Orboknown]

I'm going to reread but it's extremely doubtful dietz is lyncher unless he just cleverly orchestrated this jump onto rake. Trg/gheb may switch places but its doubtful

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm going to reread but it's extremely doubtful dietz is lyncher unless he just cleverly orchestrated this jump onto rake.

You mean his jump onto Zorf?

 

[Jdietz43]

I honestly would probably go straight to TRG.

I'm somewhat comforted that Gheb is hesitant though as if anyone but TRG was going to be lyncher to Rake's lynchee that would be it imo.

 

[Orboknown]

You mean his jump onto Zorf?

No the way he just pulled around onto rake. It's wayyyyy too smooth for a scum jump imo,dietz is loud and noisy when he jumps as scum iirc
Scum jump onto lyncher target*

 

[Jdietz43]

You mean his jump onto Zorf?

I think he means if I'm lyncher it's strange I'm switching to Rake now rather than pushing through TRG first.

 

[Orboknown]

Get ninjad

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No the way he just pulled around onto rake. It's wayyyyy too smooth for a scum jump imo,dietz is loud and noisy when he jumps as scum iirc
Scum jump onto lyncher target*

Pretty unconvincing argument tbh.

 

[Jdietz43]

At least I ninja'd with the correct understanding of the thought lul

Gheb, I assume if we lynch Rake and he's not the lyncher you're suspecting either me or Orbo?

 

[The Real Gamer]

That's what happens when the most consistently bad ass players get together during holidays to play mafia :3

Fixed.

 

[Orboknown]

Pretty unconvincing argument tbh.

Okay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, I assume if we lynch Rake and he's not the lyncher you're suspecting either me or Orbo?

I'd give Orbo, TRG and you the same scrutiny, that's for sure.

And now that Orbo mentioned your jump onto a different target ... I'm a bit surprised you're willing to give up your top priority lynch for the time being and yield to my push against Rake. Couple that with the fact that you had already switched from TRG to Zorf yesterDay and one could gain the impression that you've failed to put your money where your mouth is all game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That does go to Orbo too though kinda [though he's been pushing Zorf earlier and harder].

I'm just not sure why you are so unconcerned about lynching Rake and are so sure of each other being town. You know that Dietz could be lyncher going for Rake as well, right?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

sup ?