Data Mewtwo's Frame Data [Deleted]

[KuroganeHammer]

Link to Mewtwo's Complete Frame Data: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Mewtwo​

 

[Jiggly]

the site isn't updated yet even. Wow... Not on the main page, or connected to the M2 thumbanail... Gotta go fast!

 

[KuroganeHammer]

It's ok I went fast and fixed it.

 

[DrRiceBoy]

The stat bar thingy is so cool! Thanks! :D

 

[cstonic]

Awesome! Thanks for doing this!

 

[Chiroz]

That weight bar is way too full for Mewtwo, lol.

Thanks again for everything Aerodrome. Love everything you do.

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

I might be imagining things, but do the hitboxes on Mewtwo's tail attacks have different start up frames? I swear I saw the tip hitbox of his bair come out before the middle hitbox and the base hitbox.

 

[Chiroz]

I might be imagining things, but do the hitboxes on Mewtwo's tail attacks have different start up frames? I swear I saw the tip hitbox of his bair come out before the middle hitbox and the base hitbox.

Yes, they do. Back-Air specifically seems to work in this way.

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

Hm, that's good to know. Maybe I can figure out how his up tilt works. Very strange move.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Slow grab and long duration. Equally slow jab and dash attacks and long duration. Slow start-up on aerials without good damage and knockback. Terrible landing lag on aerials.

Not to mention the lightest character in the game. Wow, they seemed determined to make Mewtwo terrible in this game. At least his Dtilt is good with some sick animations.

 

[Chiroz]

Slow grab and long duration. Equally slow jab and dash attacks and long duration. Slow start-up on aerials without good damage and knockback. Terrible landing lag on aerials.

Not to mention the lightest character in the game. Wow, they seemed determined to make Mewtwo terrible in this game. At least his Dtilt is good with some sick animations.

It's what I've been saying for a while now.

His Up-B was purposely made incredibly slow, has a lot of vulnerability, has a self windbox that is only a con (there is 0 pros to having it) and is one of the Up-B's with the most landing lag in the game.

His F-Throw and D-Throw are both pretty bad compared to the rest of the cast. He was purposely made incredibly mediocre. Confusion and Disable, while miles better than in Melee, are still just "okay" moves when you take everything into consideration. Mewtwo's only 2 good moves are D-Tilt and Shadow Ball.

I have a theory that Sakurai honestly fears strong projectiles, he things they might be OP because he probably balances mostly around FFA.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

It's what I've been saying for a while now.

His Up-B was purposely made incredibly slow, has a lot of vulnerability, has a self windbox that is only a con (there is 0 pros to having it) and is one of the Up-B's with the most landing lag in the game.

His F-Throw and D-Throw are both pretty bad compared to the rest of the cast. He was purposely made incredibly mediocre. Confusion and Disable, while miles better than in Melee, are still just "okay" moves when you take everything into consideration. Mewtwo's only 2 good moves are D-Tilt and Shadow Ball.

I have a theory that Sakurai honestly fears strong projectiles, he things they might be OP because he probably balances mostly around FFA.

Yeah, I wish Mewtwo offered something different such as Duck Hung or Rosalina. But, really he seems the standard close combat type with a simple projectile. At least anyone with a sword differs in that they can space moves, but I cannot really see that happening with Mewtwo unless his tail has no hurtbox as in Melee. Melee Mewtwo could leverage say disjoint on his moves.

Either way, being a standard character without really any unique traits to use he gets stuck with bad frame data all around and the trait of lightest character in the game. Then again I might be surprised in future.

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

I thought that one of the biggest weaknesses of Mewtwo in Melee was that he HAD a hurtbox on his tail. There's a thread on his hitboxes and hurtboxes in the Melee Mewtwo Forum.

I think he's a pretty unique character overall. Ranged normals + a powerful projectile with a recoil effect + a reflector/command grab/jump + powerful attacks and throws + good aerial mobility and above average ground mobility. That's a strange combination of moves to have and one would think that he would be a decent character at the very least.

However, he has a dreadful combination of stats + sub par frame data + wonky hitboxes, which reduce the effectiveness of his moveset. He's light, large, and floaty, he has relatively slow attacks with significant end lag, his hitboxes do not correspond with the animations of his moves (Up-Tilt and Up Air -_-), non-kill throws are bad, etc. He's mediocre overall. Unique, but mediocre.

The only Mewtwo that seems to be doing ok with him is a guy called Mew^2. I will post some vids of him in the video thread.

 

[Chiroz]

He doesn't have a hitbox on the tip of his tail. Neither in Melee, or in this game.

 

[Karsticles]

He doesn't have a hitbox on the tip of his tail. Neither in Melee, or in this game.

Hurtbox*, to be clear.

Anyone doubting this can go check out the Mewtwo frame data thread for Melee.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

He still has tail hurtboxes though, but they're in the z-axis 90% of the time.

It's noticeable on omega duck hunt and game and watch stage.

 

[Kabutops]

The recovery stat bar should be higher. Everything else looks spot on.

 

[Mr. Wallet]

Out of curiosity, why did you change M2's aerial movement speed value? It used to be tied with Sonic, DK, and Mario and now it says he's ranked 3rd in air speed.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

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[KuroganeHammer]

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