~metroid discussion thread.

[nessokman]

Let's discuss metroid in all it's bounty hunting beauty!

 

[nessokman]

R.I.P Metroid?

Metroid is almost dead.the series is incredible!the first game to have multiple endings based off of time.

The Other M, while being cinematically beautiful, had holes all in the plot.people didn't like the personality samus got.( I love it)

Metroid has never been a priority for Nintendo.they showed they didn't care by handing the fate of a series that already has a hard time getting its footing as a flagship franchise, to team ninja.....While I love this game, it showed us nintendo didn't think they had anything to lose in the series now. Hope for another game is low.The inclusion of metroid blast in nintendoland showed us they didn't completely forget the series.


Sad news as of August 27, 2012 is that team ninja is INTERESTED in making another metroid.

Miyamoto is very interested in bringing starcox and metroid to the Wii u. He talked a little on how a new metroid could utilize the game pad
Opinions on all this?

 

[teluoborg]

Well as long as you're not forced to use PS1 gameplay mechanics (Dpad for a 3D game, fixed camera, inability to move in FP mode...) I'm sure they can't make a worse game than other M.
I mean I can get over the "bawww I'm a woman" scenario, but the freedom of action is so horribly limited with all those invisible walls and ****.


Now for the good things that happen to the metroid series : Harmony of a Hunter !
For those who don't know it's 2 compilations of Metroid remixes (first one got released for the franchise's 25th anniversary) gathered by Shinesparkers, about 80 pieces from all the games in the series and completely free.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Metroid is my favorite Nintendo series next to Custom Robo. (Figures I would love the underdogs of Nintendo. Also own every Metroid game, except for Pinball.) Anyways, Other M wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing. However, I could see some Metroid love in the future from Nintendo. (Prime series helped out the Metroid franchise a lot.)

It may not be made by Nintendo, but hey, Team Ninja did a great job at capturing the 2D Metroid feel in a 3D world, so I would trust them with another Metroid game . . . just make sure someone else writes the story.

 

[ndayday]

Maybe it's just me but the thing that I really hated in Other M was the enemy design. All of God's rejects in one game imo. Just ughhh, those quadruped tree enemies get the award for being the first enemies that pissed me off by just watching them move.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Metroid is my favorite Nintendo series next to Custom Robo. (Figures I would love the underdogs of Nintendo. Also own every Metroid game, except for Pinball.) Anyways, Other M wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing. However, I could see some Metroid love in the future from Nintendo. (Prime series helped out the Metroid franchise a lot.)

It may not be made by Nintendo, but hey, Team Ninja did a great job at capturing the 2D Metroid feel in a 3D world, so I would trust them with another Metroid game . . . just make sure someone else writes the story.

Clearly a man after my own heart. :D

 

[PIKA321]

The only Metriod games I've ever played are Metriod Prime one and two for GC, but I thought they were great games (except for the weird controls ) And I would love for them to make another Prime.

 

[Mic_128]

They have, it's Metroid Prime 3, and it's pretty good. Few things I'd nitpick, but still a good game.

 

[PIKA321]

They have, it's Metroid Prime 3, and it's pretty good. Few things I'd nitpick, but still a good game.

Yes I know about that one too I just haven't played it.

 

[teluoborg]

Then go play it, it's one of the few games on the wii where the motion controls are not gimmicky and actually add something to the gameplay.

Edit : well technically it's not the motion controls, just the infrared pointer thing :T

 

[PIKA321]

I probably will some time soon, I'm wanting to get the 3 pack of all the Metriod Prime games for wii.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Good luck finding a copy of the Trilogy edition . . . there are only a certain number of them, since it was like a limited edition type of game. It is worth picking it up . . . that is, IF you can find a copy.

 

[ndayday]

Trilogy was the best video game thing I've ever bought. But yes good luck, even used it's like $60 at the very cheapest (and that's just the disc)

 

[PIKA321]

Good luck finding a copy of the Trilogy edition . . . there are only a certain number of them, since it was like a limited edition type of game. It is worth picking it up . . . that is, IF you can find a copy.

Trilogy was the best video game thing I've ever bought. But yes good luck, even used it's like $60 at the very cheapest (and that's just the disc)

Is it really that rare? Crap.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Sadly, yes. If you can snag a copy, then more power to you. If you can't, then just get Prime 3 by itself. (In my opinion, the motion controls are overrated.)

 

[PIKA321]

I saw someone on craigslist selling the full set (not just the disc) for $85. Sadly I don't have any money ATM.

 

[Mike2]

Wow it's worth that much? :0 I have the trilogy complete with tin casing and everything just lying around. Now I'm torn on selling it... It is one of my favorite trilogies, but let's be honest, I haven't played it in years...

And yea pika, definitely just spring for MP3 by itself then. You can probably find it cheap. And I'd rank metroids primes like this:
MP1
MP3
MP2

So if you like 1 & 2 definitely go for 3.

 

[ndayday]

They're all very good, I make it a point to play through them all basically once a year. Personal lists are just that, but I'd probably put Echoes over Corruption, if only because of Torvus Bog.

Spoiler

Also can't wait for Super Metroid as the $0.30 game on Wii U, I haven't played that one at all so it's almost like waiting for a new game to release lol.

 

[PIKA321]

Okay, I'll just get MP3 alone, I already have MP1 and MP2 anyway, and I can get MP3 for about $10 at Vintage Stock.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm surprised that Metroid doesn't have it's own section like some other Nintendo series. I wouldn't call the series dead or anything like that either. While I'm not the most versed in the Metroid games I have played Prime, Prime Hunters, and a bit of Super Metroid. And I do like those games.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Some people consider Metroid a dying franchise due to the fact that Nintendo has been focusing on Mario and Zelda too much lately. Even then though, Metroid isn't exactly out of life. It is just that Nintendo needs to realize that too much of anything is bad.

 

[PIKA321]

Correction, they've been focusing on Mario to much lately, not enough Zelda.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Correction: when you compare Mario and Zelda to Nintendo's other IPs, and also seen what is down the line for future games, Mario and Zelda dominate. Especially Mario, but Zelda is right there too.

 

[Rutger]

Outside of the gaps between 64, Sunshine, and New Super Mario Bros., we are not really seeing more new main Mario games than there has always been. Not counting side games because I don't care enough about most of them to see what's out there. New Zelda games have also been consistent after OoT.

To be honest, after Nintendo not only announced the Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem crossover but also may have indirectly confirmed a localization(I've heard it's on the NA Wii U eshop), I'm not really worried about Nintendo's less common IPs right now, I'm more worried that the next Metriod will not do everything in its power to forget Other M ever happened.

 

[finalark]

I'm more worried that the next Metriod will not do everything in its power to forget Other M ever happened.

This.

I think was most people didn't get about Other M was that not only was the story bad, but from a game play standpoint it completely misses the point of Metroid. Those games should not play like a beat 'em up.

 

[PIKA321]

Correction: when you compare Mario and Zelda to Nintendo's other IPs, and also seen what is down the line for future games, Mario and Zelda dominate. Especially Mario, but Zelda is right there too.

True but if you compare Mario and Zelda Mario has waaaaaaaaay more. Mostly because Mario has a bunch of dumb spinoff games like Mario Sports Mix.

 

[RespawningJesus]

This.

I think was most people didn't get about Other M was that not only was the story bad, but from a game play standpoint it completely misses the point of Metroid. Those games should not play like a beat 'em up.

The basic principle of the gameplay of Other M is there, they just need to not design everything so that you get a linear game. I don't mind adding a little shiny things for the sake of style, but make it more of an adventure next time.

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

Something that rarely gets noticed is that the Metroid series hasn't had a main series entry/story continuation since 2002 in the form of Metroid Fusion. The Prime games are their own side series/midquels and Zero Mission is a remake. Other M is often classed as a 'main series' title but it's really just a midquel that expands the Metroid story rather than continues it, and it is not a numbered entry into the series. Surely after 11 years it's about time the Metroid story got continued with 'Metroid 5' (aka. Metroid Dread)? It would of course be another 2D game (because that's what the main series is), something Metroid fans have been desperate for since Zero Mission. The end of Fusion leaves a lot of room for a sequel with Samus basically being a wanted criminal.

I actually hold high hopes of a new 2D Metroid eventually, Nintendo doesn't seem shy about releasing 2D games at the moment with Kirby Return to Dream Land, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Yarn Yoshi, Wario Land Smooth Moves and the New Super Mario Bros series being recent/upcoming releases by them. An 11 year gap may seem a long time, but just think of the Mario series - unbelievably there was a 14 year gap being 2D releases in that series with 2006's New Super Mario Bros being the first one since 1992's Super Mario Land 2!

Other avenues I wouldn't mind them going down is a Zero Mission style remake of Metroid II, which would be almost as good as a brand new 2D game. I would also be open to a sequel to Hunters, the original Hunters had a lot of potential, it was just poorly executed, a sequel on the 3DS could realise that potential.

 

[finalark]

I don't think the 2D Metroids have been the "main series" since the Prime games. It's like saying that Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess aren't "main series" Zelda games because the series started in 2D.

 

[RespawningJesus]

There is a difference between a series evolving and sticking to their roots. Zelda is an example of evolution, while Mario is an example of both, with recent titles sticking to their roots.

Seeing a 2D Metroid game is very likely because of then evidence of Other M. It tried to stay true to the 2D feel, but in a 3D world, showing that 2D Metroid is still very viable.

The great part of Metroid is that it can go in either direction, especially with the 3DS/Wii U. Heck, Metroid could stick with both if they wanted too.

 

[finalark]

Other M was awful and completely missed the point of Metroid. While yes, I think 2D Metroids still have the potential to be good I wouldn't take Other M of a sign of their return, due to the mixed reception of the game. I just wish that Nintendo had experimented with 2D Metroid on the DS instead of leaving it at Fusion.

 

[RespawningJesus]

Other M got mixed reception due to its story. As for its gameplay, I heard a lot of good things about it, and thought it was fine. Was it perfect? No, but it was a step in the right direction. Just a few tweaks here and there, and it could easily be perfected.

Also, do I need to remind you of the attention that the Metroid 2: Just Another Remake has been getting? Even one of the artists at Retro Studios, Benjamin Sprout, said in response to the remake: "I've always thought it'd be awesome to do a remake of Metroid 2. A group of us at Retro even discussed doing it as a side project at one point."

The interest in making a new 2D Metroid game is there, remake or not, and is just as viable as saying that the next Metroid is a 3D one.

 

[finalark]

Other M got mixed reception due to its story. As for its gameplay, I heard a lot of good things about it, and thought it was fine. Was it perfect? No, but it was a step in the right direction. Just a few tweaks here and there, and it could easily be perfected.

Also, do I need to remind you of the attention that the Metroid 2: Just Another Remake has been getting? Even one of the artists at Retro Studios, Benjamin Sprout, said in response to the remake: "I've always thought it'd be awesome to do a remake of Metroid 2. A group of us at Retro even discussed doing it as a side project at one point."

The interest in making a new 2D Metroid game is there, remake or not, and is just as viable as saying that the next Metroid is a 3D one.

I never said that the want for a 2D Metroid isn't there, because it is.

And Other M's game play is ****ing atrocious. Even when seen as a beat 'em up (which it is) it's ****ing god awful bottom-of-the-barrel trash. I don't even give a damn about the story, if I don't like a game's story I'll just skip over it but holy crap was Other M's game play bad.

 

[teluoborg]

The thing with Other M is that its gameplay could have been improved drastically with only a few changes in the control scheme.
Like, if it had been playable with the wiichuck, things like walking in diagonals or moving while in first person would've been possible, also it wouldn't have been so painful for left handers (hi).

It would still have a worse-than-fusion story telling and all but at least it would be playable.

 

[finalark]

The thing with Other M is that its gameplay could have been improved drastically with only a few changes in the control scheme.
Like, if it had been playable with the wiichuck, things like walking in diagonals or moving while in first person would've been possible, also it wouldn't have been so painful for left handers (hi).

It would still have a worse-than-fusion story telling and all but at least it would be playable.

As a fellow lefty I agree. While I think Metroid becoming a beat-em-up is the worse idea that Nintendo has ever had the game would have been much more playable if they have just used the chuck. Then you could use the control stick for moving, the Z button for dodging and you could actually move while in first person. Seriously, why can't I move in first person? What is this, 2001?

 

[RespawningJesus]

I am a lefty myself, and had no trouble with the controls. (The trick was to not wear the wrist strap at all, which made switching to first person a breeze, by allowing you to actually aim with your left hand.)

Controls weren't perfect, but the devs wanted something simple, which is very hard to do, so I give them my props. Definitely could use some tweaking as you all said, but simplicity has its price sadly.

 

[Rutger]

I do not give props to the developers for choosing to stick with a terrible control scheme when it is completely reasonable to think that an owner of a Wii would have another/better option readily available(the nun chuck comes with the system.)

The controls were terrible, the limited amount of buttons meant that dodging was done with the d-pad, which meant you could mash the direction you want to move in to dodge almost everything, the d-pad isn't great for moving in a 3D environment either. The use of a first person view not only works poorly but is jarring after coming from the Prime trilogy, which worked fine.

I'm not against combat in a Metroid game having some action elements, I think it could work if done right, but it should never be as linear as Other M was. The environment should be the first thing focused on in a Metroid game.

Honestly, I can't think of one good thing about Other M, it is easily the game that gets the most hate from me.

 

[finalark]

Why can't I move in first person? Why can I only fire missiles in first person? While am I forced to stop moving in a beat 'em up?

First person was a pointless mechanic in that game only kept in to keep fans of the prime series from feeling alienated. There was no reason to simplify Metroid's controls. Holding the wiimote on it's side is probably the worse possible control set-up IMO. That d-pad is so obviously not made for movement that it's painful.

Honestly, I can't think of one good thing about Other M, it is easily the game that gets the most hate from me.

I agree entirely. People always point out the story for why it's bad but I think people are forgetting about how terrible the game play is.

Companies should stop handing good IPs to devs who don't get said IPs.

 

[teluoborg]

People that focus on the story tend to forget how Samus was already whining in fusion. Even though it hadn't reach that level of stupidity.

 

[RespawningJesus]

I believe the reasoning to making the control scheme simple was to allow anyone to play the game. I only consider controls bad if it doesn't feel good to play. Despite having a small learning curve, it still felt good to play. I guess the devas wanted to have Other M be a sort of introduction to a 2D style Metroid, especially considering how the Prime series was dominant on home consoles for awhile.

Yeah, you could've done more with the nunchuk, but what's done is done. Quit talking about what could have been, and focus on what it is. Making a control scheme as simple as possible is difficult as all hell. Making something complex is far easier, which is why I give the devas props for making something simple, instead of taking the easy way out. They tried something new, and it worked for the game they made.

Level design is pretty linear, yes, but going for the 100% opens up the world when you complete the story for the first time.

Other M was far from perfect yes, but it was never a bad game. Team Ninja captured the Metroid feel, and produced something that was fun to play.