Metal Mario???

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, sounds stupid doesn't it? But, think about it. I thought it was kind of cool how in games like Mario Golf if you achieve something great you are awarded with a special character (Metal Mario), in Sonic R you would get a special character like Super Sonic. Do you think they'll do something similar in SSB4? With the removal of Dr. Mario, and the addition of Metal Boxes it's unlikely. But, do you think this would be a neat addition for doing something like clearing classic with all characters? Or just unnecessary? What would you prefer?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Probably an Alternate costume or just by hitting the metal box with Mario.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Probably an Alternate costume or just by hitting the metal box with Mario.

Well an alternate costume wouldn't work because he's made of a different material. Dr. Mario would work as a costume though. I'm just a HUGE Metal Mario fan which is why I always wanted to play as him since I was a kid sitting in front of my N64 getting my butt kicked by him.

I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!! He walks around and his feet go like: TIMONE! TIMONE! TIMONE!

 

[IsmaR]

If nothing else, I've always wanted his SSB64 theme to make a comeback.

 

[8-peacock-8]

This thread should be about bringing back Metal Mario's stage in Smash 64.

 

[Noler_Mass]

As long as he has the voice he had in Mario kart 7. [/sarcasm]

 

[Neanderthal]

Meh. It's already an item so why waste a character slot on it?

 

[I_hate_usernames]

If nothing else, I've always wanted his SSB64 theme to make a comeback.

One does not simply post theme songs without first providing a link for them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hxh2h3P70Q

 

[IsmaR]

One does not simply post theme songs without first providing a link for them!

Figured since it was posted right above mine, would've been a waste. Just like this post might as well be. Oh well, here's something to spice it up.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

Figured since it was posted right above mine, it would've been a waste. Just like this post might as well be. Oh well, here's something to spice it up.

My apologies, I misread and thought you we're referring to the SM:64 MM theme...

 

[IsmaR]

That one's equally amazing. Should've been him his home stage theme in MK7 (closest thing would be Tick Tock Clock I guess), if nothing else.

 

[ChozoBoy]

Meh. It's already an item so why waste a character slot on it?

It's amazing how many people on videogame forums are absolutely clueless as to how game development works.

 

[Neanderthal]

It's amazing how many people on videogame forums are absolutely clueless as to how game development works.

I'm not insinuating that there's a specific amount of slots they have to spare.
However Sakurai has implied he is going to be cautious about the final count in order to make balancing the game easier.
He will also limit the amount of clones as he has said he doesn't want to many. One Mario clone might mean the loss of a more popular clone idea like Impa.

 

[ChozoBoy]

I'm not insinuating that there's a specific amount of slots they have to spare.
However Sakurai has implied he is going to be cautious about the final count in order to make balancing the game easier.
He will also limit the amount of clones as he has said he doesn't want to many. One Mario clone might mean the loss of a more popular clone idea like Impa.

Whether having the Metal power-up all the time with Mario is balanced or not is a different matter than whether he can spare an extra space on the screen for MM. I'm not sure about whether MM is inherently unbalanced or not... There are specific changes that the Metal Box makes to speed/knockback/etc., so it couldn't really be balanced beyond those unless the item is removed and the design philosophy of the character/Metal property is altered.

 

[peeup]

Whether having the Metal power-up all the time with Mario is balanced or not is a different matter than whether he can spare an extra space on the screen for MM. I'm not sure about whether MM is inherently unbalanced or not... There are specific changes that the Metal Box makes to speed/knockback/etc., so it couldn't really be balanced beyond those unless the item is removed and the design philosophy of the character/Metal property is altered.

Calm down, you're overthinking things.

Neanderthal, I believe, isn't really saying anything about MM being a balanced character. I just think most people would appreciate lots and lots and lots of other clones before him. And Sakurai has already said small roster and few clones, so MM isn't a very appealing idea to most.

Also if you're talking balance wise about him being metal.... They don't have to remove the metal box. They don't have to change anything about being metal. They could just, like, make MM heavier and slower than regular Mario >.>

 

[ChozoBoy]

Calm down, you're overthinking things.

Neanderthal, I believe, isn't really saying anything about MM being a balanced character. I just think most people would appreciate lots and lots and lots of other clones before him. And Sakurai has already said small roster and few clones, so MM isn't a very appealing idea to most.

Also if you're talking balance wise about him being metal.... They don't have to remove the metal box. They don't have to change anything about being metal. They could just, like, make MM heavier and slower than regular Mario >.>

If we're talking about including him on the character select, he would have to be balanced within the range of the other characters.

MM isn't a clone. He's an item effect. Clones have, at the very least, tweaks to trajectories and damage dealing, if not new animations and other properties. Metal Mario is Mario with the Metal Box item permanently. He's not a clone like Dr. Mario, who required development time to modify on an attack-by-attack basis. Once the Metal Box properties are assigned to the item, he's either inherently balanced, or he's not, or he is not the same as Metal Box effect for some reason. Those are the only options. If permanently-Metal Mario happens to be witihin balance tolerances, then I'd be all for sticking him on the character select.

 

[Neanderthal]

If we're talking about including him on the character select, he would have to be balanced within the range of the other characters.

MM isn't a clone. He's an item effect. Clones have, at the very least, tweaks to trajectories and damage dealing, if not new animations and other properties. Metal Mario is Mario with the Metal Box item permanently. He's not a clone like Dr. Mario, who required development time to modify on an attack-by-attack basis. Once the Metal Box properties are assigned to the item, he's either inherently balanced, or he's not, or he is not the same as Metal Box effect for some reason. Those are the only options. If permanently-Metal Mario happens to be witihin balance tolerances, then I'd be all for sticking him on the character select.

Like I said, waste of a slot/time/effort that could be spent on a clone that actually excites people.

 

[Frostwraith]

To be fair, Metal Mario is already in the game whenever Mario picks up a Metal Box. Metal Mario as a playable character would imply the removal of Metal Boxes, because... Metal Metal Mario? Yeah, it makes no sense.

 

[Dark Phazon]

If nothing else, I've always wanted his SSB64 theme to make a comeback.

Hehehe RealTalk also as a char imo Hell No...you thought Dr.Mario wasent original.....

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Play a special game with metal option on and you're fine.

Speaking of, it'd be hilarious if we could assign different special conditions to different players somehow, like one player has the metal box on him, the other has the bunny hood, the third has the fire curry effect on him etc. Would be much better for the game instead of copy-pasting Mario.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Once again. It's all about dat Meta Crystal stage.

 

[Pyra]

Yeah, let's bring back the Meta Crystal stage ToasterBrains says as the memories come flooding back to him.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm not insinuating that there's a specific amount of slots they have to spare.
However Sakurai has implied he is going to be cautious about the final count in order to make balancing the game easier.
He will also limit the amount of clones as he has said he doesn't want to many. One Mario clone might mean the loss of a more popular clone idea like Impa.

Is Impa suppose to be a clone of Sheik? Wouldn't one rather just have Zelda & Sheik seperate.

Here are some good clone ideas I came up with

Leif > Marth
Baby Yoshi > Yoshi
Louie > Olimar (But, with new Pikmin)
Raichu > Pikachu

 

[peeup]

Here are some good clone ideas I came up with
Little Mac > Marth

This whole thread is pretty stupid, but that...

Maybe I just don't get your logic.

Do you have logic?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Calm down, you're overthinking things.

Neanderthal, I believe, isn't really saying anything about MM being a balanced character. I just think most people would appreciate lots and lots and lots of other clones before him. And Sakurai has already said small roster and few clones, so MM isn't a very appealing idea to most.

Also if you're talking balance wise about him being metal.... They don't have to remove the metal box. They don't have to change anything about being metal. They could just, like, make MM heavier and slower than regular Mario >.>

The point is that Metal Mario isn't a normal rep. He is suppose to be a Special Rep. Like one that's really difficult to unlock and you have to have all the other characters. Metal Mario would be slower and heavier and but, not harder to launch like if you actually had the Metal Box because that would be unfair. Also unable to swim and is very powerful. Metal Mario is suppose to be a character that's really hard to acess and doesn't appear in Classic Mode.

This whole thread is pretty stupid, but that...

Maybe I just don't get your logic.


Do you have logic?

Marth's Sheild Breaker / Little Mac's Punch

Marth's Dolphin Slash / Little Mac does it with his upper cut

Marth's Counter/ Little Mac moves to the side and then counter punches (like in the game)

Marth's Forward B / Little Mac uses his fists instead.

 

[FalKoopa]

Little Mac > Marth

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Try reading above you. Reading will get you further in life. You see thinking is a powerful part of the mind. It prevents you from jumping to conclusions and helps comprehend stuff you couldn't normally comprehend.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I agree Metal Mario for SSB4! But let's not stop there! Lets add Shadow Mario, Paper Mario, Baby Mario, Dr. Mario, Zero-Suit Mario and Dr. Baby Paper Mario!

 

[FalKoopa]

Try reading above you. Reading will get you further in life. You see thinking is a powerful part of the mind. It prevents you from jumping to conclusions and helps comprehend stuff you couldn't normally comprehend.

I'm sorry. That moveset does absolutely no justice to Little Mac. And even if the 4 specials would be similar, his normal moves would be way different, making him a non-clone.

You would do well to think about a character's whole moveset before jumping to conclusions.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Stop doing what you're doing.

 

[peeup]

The point is that Metal Mario isn't a normal rep. He is suppose to be a Special Rep. Like one that's really difficult to unlock and you have to have all the other characters. Metal Mario would be slower and heavier and but, not harder to launch like if you actually had the Metal Box because that would be unfair. Also unable to swim and is very powerful. Metal Mario is suppose to be a character that's really hard to acess and doesn't appear in Classic Mode.

Special rep or not, he'd still be time put into the game that could (read: should) be put into a whole host of other options.

Marth's Sheild Breaker / Little Mac's Punch

Marth's Dolphin Slash / Little Mac does it with his upper cut

Marth's Counter/ Little Mac moves to the side and then counter punches (like in the game)

Marth's Forward B / Little Mac uses his fists instead.

Fair enough. Just seems weird to replace a swordsman with someone who exclusively uses his fists. EDIT: Read what FalKoopa said.

Bold and my color.

I agree Metal Mario for SSB4! But let's not stop there! Lets add Shadow Mario, Paper Mario, Baby Mario, Dr. Mario, Zero-Suit Mario and Dr. Baby Paper Mario!

Zero Suit Baby Mario... #BonerCity

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Once again. It's all about dat Meta Crystal stage.

Exactly. This stage is awesome in Project M, and if Sukapon doesn't make it in, you can just throw ALL the JMF songs to there.

edit: like a remix of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eka3bypIuKI or this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJsA_Dpr-0

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm sorry. That moveset does absolutely no justice to Little Mac. And even if the 4 specials would be similar, his normal moves would be way different, making him a non-clone.

You would do well to think about a character's whole moveset before jumping to conclusions.

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2. A concept or mental impression.

Synonyms
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There is a difference. You shouldn't jump to conclusions or assume my ideas are what I think is actually gonna happen or should happen. It's a concept. And asking questions can help you better understand concepts. Asking questions can help you comprehend things you couldn't before. Like perhaps asking why Little Mac being a Marth clone is a concept. I think the anger you get comes from a large misunderstanding on the difference between Idea & Prediction.

Also by reading this thread you would know this thread is what people would think if he was in it. It's not a support thread. Sometimes it hurts my brain when people don't read things and just jump to conclusions

 

[ChozoBoy]

The point is that Metal Mario isn't a normal rep. He is suppose to be a Special Rep. Like one that's really difficult to unlock and you have to have all the other characters. Metal Mario would be slower and heavier and but, not harder to launch like if you actually had the Metal Box because that would be unfair. Also unable to swim and is very powerful. Metal Mario is suppose to be a character that's really hard to acess and doesn't appear in Classic Mode.



Marth's Sheild Breaker / Little Mac's Punch

Marth's Dolphin Slash / Little Mac does it with his upper cut

Marth's Counter/ Little Mac moves to the side and then counter punches (like in the game)

Marth's Forward B / Little Mac uses his fists instead.

I'd like it if after Mac used the counter, he went into a flashing/ready state with the star SFX and that allowed him to do the Star Uppercut with his next up-special, similar to G&W's bucket. I don't think most of Marth's moves would translate, but the specials aren't a bad starting point once the sword is replaced with mitts.

 

[Knight Dude]

Well, if anything, that theme and stage really should make a comeback in some form. That would be awesome on so many levels.

 

[peeup]

i·de·a

/īˈdēə/
Noun

1. A thought or suggestion as to a possible course of action: "the idea of linking pay to performance".
2. A concept or mental impression.

Synonyms

notion - thought - conception - concept - opinion - view

No need to be a ****, man. Especially looking at what I bolded... FalKoopa is telling you his opinion and/or view about what you said, and he's doing so with far less hostility than you.

But back on topic, I do support clones, but I would rather see Paper Mario than Metal Mario. That way at least maybe Paper Mario could come back in Smash 5 with a more original moveset, kinda like what happened to Ganondorf but more fleshed out. I do think MM's stage and music should return though, along with a plethora of other gems from Smash64 (Congo Jungle, Hyrule Temple, and Saffron City pleeeeeease)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

No need to be a ****, man. Especially looking at what I bolded... FalKoopa is telling you his opinion and/or view about what you said, and he's doing so with far less hostility than you.

But back on topic, I do support clones, but I would rather see Paper Mario than Metal Mario. That way at least maybe Paper Mario could come back in Smash 5 with a more original moveset, kinda like what happened to Ganondorf but more fleshed out. I do think MM's stage and music should return though, along with a plethora of other gems from Smash64 (Congo Jungle, Hyrule Temple, and Saffron City pleeeeeease)

I thought he was trying to be mean because of the "" It's kind of trollish. Plus he does that all the time before knowing what he's talking about.

 

[memememe]

Metal Dr. Mario would be better

 

[ChozoBoy]

I'd prefer Paper Mario as well, but Metal Mario would be (even) easier to include. He would only require testing for balancing, not actual balancing work. He either is or he isn't. There's no dev time beyond the creation of the item and the character just has the item effect permanently.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Considering we already have Metal Mario in the game. Is this really necessary?

I like most everyone here, would rather have Doc or Paper Mario.