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Mega Bidoof's Roster Judging

Adrian G

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My improved roster. Features:
>51 character slots (all 35 Brawl vets + 16 newcomers)
> Pokemon, LOZ, and Mario all have 5 reps
>Star Fox, Kirby, Fire Emblem, DKC, and Kid Icarus all have 3 reps each.

>2 new retro characters





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Notes:
> Mewtwo is all but guaranteed, and Lucario has new found significance with his mega-evolution. Besides, if Toon Link is of any indication, most every Brawl vet is safe.

> Do I want Ridley to make the cut? Hell yes. Do I honestly EXPECT him to? Hell no. But perhaps the fan's clamoring demands were heard by Sakurai. At least Ridley has managed to stay relevant all these years. So he has that in his favor at least.

> Solid Snake's chances of returning are severely undermined due to Kojima's blatant neglect towards Wii U. But I hope Sakurai's good relations with Kojima can manage the return of Snake. He deserves a spot.

> I honestly think that Ghirahim can be the exception to the whole (one-off Zelda villains don't make the cut) rule. His move set potential is immaculate, and virtually every Nintendo gamer recognizes him. Plus if we are to have a fifth Zelda rep, it sure as hell better be a villain, and other than Ganondorf, Ghirahim is definitely the most relevant villain. Plus he isn't hated in the West like Tingle. Besides, Tingle has ZERO move set potential. A balloon strapped to his back? Pfft. One word: VILLAGER.

> Since Kid Icarus has many fans, and Sakurai himself created it, i think it's safe to assume that it will have a nice balanced amount of characters: 3. Same as the other (relatively) small series like Star Fox, and Sakurai's brain child, Kirby.

> Yoshi is not counted in the "Mario rep" group since he has had a significant amount of solo games. (Also his series icon is different. Duh). Same goes for Wario.

> Although I don't honestly care much for Pac-man, Namco- Bandai's cooperation in SSB4 raises his chances significantly. Also having Mario, Pac-man, Sonic, and Mega Man in the same game would be earth-shatteringly epic. And, who knows?
Perhaps he could have a good move set. I mean, he has punching gloves, long legs, and a giant mouth. Perhaps something cool can be done with a little imagination.

> Little Mack is long over due. And perhaps SSB4 can give Takamaru a second chance at fame. It worked with Ice Climbers, Mr. Game and Watch, and Pit. The Takamaru attraction in Ninteno Land at least shows that he is not forgotten by Ninty.

> This left me with two gaping holes to fill in order to complete my roster. I'm aware that many people clamor for certain characters. But Geno is no longer relevant, Toad has an extremely limited move set potential (and is part of Peache's move set anyways), King K. Rool hasn't seen the light of day in any form in YEARS, and the F-Zero franchise is dead in the water at the moment. So basically left me with two choices: Waluigi and Shulk.

> Waluigi: We have all seen Waluigi fighting as an assist trophy in Brawl. We KNOW that he can work. And he is very relevant. He has been in every Mario Kart game since Double Dash, and has been in EVERY Mario sports game. He has been requested for a while now and, in this case, it actually makes sense.

> Shulk: Monolith Soft is a first-party developer for Nintendo so Shulk is technically a first-party Nintendo character. His game, Xenoblade Chronicals, was IMMENSELY successful and well reviewed. As you see, there is honestly NO reason why he shouldn't at least be on Sakurai's waiting list. As for "X", I doubt that the timing of this game threatens Shulk's chances. In theory, SSB4 will release only months after "X". Even if the protagonist of "X" becomes hugely popular, a few months is not enough time to sneak a playable character into Smash Bros. Perhaps an assist trophy could make it though.

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Or, we could get rid of Waluigi and have a nice round number of 50. I actually like this layout more. As you can see, the original 12 (red outlines) are wrapped around the top and in the correct order they appear in the Smash 64 roster. Luigi, Mario, DK, Link, Samus, Captain Falcon, Ness, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff in that order. Despite this, the characters are all organized in vertical columns according to their respective franchises. So, Mega-bidoof. Choose your favorite and hit me with your best shot.
 
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Can you critique my recently updated roster?

Blue = Starter
Red = Unlockable
Yellow = Third Party
 

Vintage Creep

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So your basically saying my roster sucks? :<
Well it has more characters than Brawl so it can't be worse than Brawl, which had a great roster, but really some of the choices are pretty bad.
For Mario, DK & Co you choose Toad which I find pretty boring personally especially if you compare him to other character and Dixie which is a no-brainer (but imho would be more interesting if paired with Diddy).
For Zelda and Kid Icarus no new rep: boring.
For Kirby Waddle Dee? Meh, imho Kirby has enough characters already and Waddle Dee looks incredibly boring.
Pokémon is the real problem: you took out the Trainer (why?) and put Plusle, Minun and Victini? Probably the worst newcomers for a Pokémon rep I can think of.
Nothing new for StarFox and Earthbound, that's OK.
Ridley, all right everyone wants him. Alph? Why? He would totally be a clone and Pikmin absolutely doesn't need new rep.
And then nothing new except Pac-Man...

Really bland personally. Especially the fact that you didn't put any new franchises except the ones already announced and Pac-Man, only expanded the most famous ones.
 

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You may take your time with the others, but here's my latest roster...



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Although not too likely, Rosalina would represent the Super Mario Galaxy portion of the Mario Universe. The rest of the roster contains more important characters, in general.
Mario & Sonic Guy's Roster Review

NEWCOMERS

It seems like Nintendo over hyped Rosalina in MarioKart wii and 7, I honestly have no clue why. But as for Ssb4, she is not likely, like you said, and she could represent the Galaxy series, so that part of the Mario series seems to be done.

Bowser Jr is probably the most likely Mario Newcomer, and he could have a unique moveset using his PaintBrush and maybe even transforming into Shadow Mario to be a Mario semi-clone or use the brush in a completely different way!

Dixie Kong, as I said before, is the most Likey DK newcomer IMO. Her moves can consist of her ponytail, she could barrow moves for Tiny Kong from DK64

K. Rool is also a probable DK rep, though he hasn't been recent in past years. My theory is that Nintendo is giving Rare credit for K. Rool since he was originally gong to be part of his own game, even though Rare doesn't own him. He is a viable Smash choice

Palutena is the best, and most likely, KI newcomer. Some could say that Mag up should get in over her, but Sakurai doesn't like to over hype his own creations, while Palutena wasn't actually made by him.

Takamaru is my favorite retro newcomer, right next to N64, but N64 is not that likely.

FINALLY A ROSTER WITH RIDLEY!!! Ridley is my 2nd favorite newcomer idea , right behind N64. Could use his tail, biting, and anything really.

Black Shadow is the second most likely Fzero newcomer (If there is one) right behind Goroh.
But he could provide a cool moveset.

There is so much hate against Chrom, while I support him, I do not think he should replace Ike.


CUT CHARACTERS

I see no reason for Lucas or Ness to be cut. If anything, Mother's popularity has risen

Ike should not be cut, that's all I have to say.

Snake should not be cut, as Sakurai and Kojima are still friends. And Snake has as much importance in SSBas Sonic does, and Sonic is returning.

As much as I dislike ROB, he has no real reason to be cut, he is to Brawl as G & W was to Melee.

In all this roster gets a Mega Bidoof rating of 8.0
Mainly because of cut characters.
 

Mega Bidoof

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I don't care for relevancy, size, or propriety arguments: These characters reflect my current vision for a Smash Bros. game, so judge it on its creative merits. A couple of notes, only the first is important:

Note 1. The "?" portraits from left to right represent:
  • A female Chozo Warrior from Chozo lore, using alternate Chozo technology such as the Speed Boost.
  • Erim, the Sinistral of Death from Lufia. She features a strong teleportation game with the longest reach in the cast.
  • Frog, from Chrono Trigger, with access to unique zoning abilities like Slurp Cut and Bubble (carry enemies away in it and pop for damage)
Note 2. Zelda spoiler alert -
The portrait of Zelda is a placeholder for Hylia. Aside from Demise, the principle Zelda characters are not borrowed from a specific game but represent the spirits of the characters overarching the series. I think this creates a new opportunity for giving them a fresh feel.

To stress their differences, Zelda and Impa no longer transform, but call to each other followed by quickly teleporting into the battle. They can perform actions out of teleportation, preventing camping, so calling has a significant cooldown period.

Skull Kid is a placeholder for the Skull Kid/Majora entity. I know you think that they missed their boat, but I am too interested in seeing the entity as the first possession and influence based character.


Note 3. I have never played Kid Icarus: Uprising or any Fire Emblem game, so I don't know what their place in the game could look like at all.

Note 4. In my view, Dixie & Kiddy do not function independently like the Ice Climbers. They would be a lead-swapping duo, where the inactive character is invincible. The dynamics of throwing each other would function similarly as in DKC3, serving as their principle recovery but also an attack option.

Note. 5 Most of the cuts and replacements are deliberate. Katt, being feline, is very capable of emulating Wolf's claw/acrobatic style of fighting. I am burned out on Meta Knight.
Newcomers:

I kinda like the Dixie/Kiddy idea, but used Dixie alone better
Demise SHOULD NOT REPLACE GANONDORF!!!
Skull kid is really cool, but not that likely.
Ridley is very very very good, as I said before.
I really like the Chozo idea, you should make a support thread for it.
Who the heck is Marina?
Little Mac is one of my favorite potential newcomers as I said before.
Dyna Blade is a weird choice , unlike Ridley, he's just too big.
Katt is meh, I don't see much moveset potential.
Johto Trainer is my fourth favorite trainer, (2nd is Hoenn and 3rd is Kalos)
Kamek is the best Yoshi newcomer
While I don think a Mario RPGs character should get in, I'd say it should be Geno instead of Mallow
Kumatora is a good mother newcomer, but I'd rather have Porky, masked man, or Jeff.
Tron Bonne is a good way to represent the Mega Man legends series, but if second MM rep gets in, it should be Protoman or Bass or even are Dr. Wily.
I don't know who Erim is.
Ancient Minister is actually a cool idea, but he is actually ROB.
Frog is cool, but I think Crono would get in over him

In all, this gets a Bidoof Creativeness Rating of 7.75
 

Fortanono

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Okay, got a new creative roster. Same rules apply.


EDIT: Don't do this one, do the one below.
 

Mega Bidoof

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While I respect and like the idea of a Diddy Dixie tag team, I feel Dixie should be on her own, as Diddy was an established character in brawl.
I have said this too many time; RIDLEY! IS! NOT! TOO! BIG! Thank you for putting him on your roster.
Little Mac is one of my most wants for SSB4. He is one of the most obvious character choices.
Palutena is the most likely KI newcomer, though there is that whole Magnus argument.
I stated this in some of my past judgings, but I feel Shulk might be overshadowed by X's protagonist.
I'm not sure about Tom Nook, all he really has to support him is the letter theory. And he would probably be a clone of Villager.
I know about you and Kawashima, but the way Sakurai is doing the stages, I feel the BrainAge should be a stage and not a character.
Chrom=yes, but not replacing Ike.
I utterly dispose the modern PacMan, even though he is likely for smash. But I'll still Gir you points for it.
Professor Layton is a good 3rd party choice, but I feel he doesn't hold an overall significance as a character.
Daitoryo is a great obscure historical character, but he didn't originate from a video game which is what kills him.
Mii would be fine depending on how he works.

So there is a decent amount of cut characters, so this roster gets a Mega Bidoof Rating of, 8.5!
 

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I recently redesigned mine. it has a few sections. I put some extra pics on for my own memory, I only want you to judge the roster part for realism.

OK - Main roster. First things first -
50 characters seems a bit large to me, jut imo. a lot of these characters are already more than one, zelda/PT/samus, so with this we're already at 50. gotta remember the 3DS version

Odd character out - RAY01 - probably the least likely character I've included, but I like to think smash is about bringing in as many unique and iconic first party nintendo games together as possible. Sure, custom robo hasn't seen the light in a while, but he was an assist trophy in brawl, so he is remembered. He's definitely unique enough, and the games just hold a special place in my heart.

Isaac - recent golden sun game + isaac was an AT in brawl + cool psychic powers, seems legit

now let me explain the bottom right box - the costumes. with the male fit trainer reveal, a whole new opportunity reveals itself - costumes.
Personally, I hate the idea of dixie kong as a new DK rep, too similar to diddy in physical build imo. why not just make her a diddy costume?
the other boxes near her are other costume ideas, all fairly self explanatory. Sure, some of the overlays aren't perfect, but if it meant extra characters without clones? I'd dig it.

The top right is my i have no idea which mario character to include box. I personally don't think toad has a shot, but i like him. I think waluigi would be a bit of a waste, he's really just a stock character for mario parties. Rosalina would be interesting, but I think she's slightly outclassed by both bowser jr and paper mario. If i had to choose between the two of them I'd probably pick paper mario, but i honestly don't think the roster needs another mario rep at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it got one, but...

moving right along to the bottom middle, this is my no pls section. these are characters I've looked at, and replied with no pls.

let me explain my hatred for takamaru. look at the fire emblem section right now. what do we have? 3 blue haired swordsmen. we do not need a fourth. this game is about variety. it's not super blue haired sword fighters melee.
shulk and lloyd follow a similar suits. sure, they aren't as similar, but I already yielded and included little mac. honestly I think between the three of them only one deserves a spot. I was close to picking shulk but I'm pretty sure the boxing stage is crying little mac.

Pac man. ugh. don't get me started. Pacman with arms and legs is an abomination, a crime against nature. Sakurai has expressed his liking of the classic megaman, the snes version. this wouldn't translate as well with pac man.

Palutena - I just don't understand why so many people have flocked around this character. she just doesn't feel like she belongs in smash. she's not a fighter. kid icarus doesn't even deserve a second rep. not before FZero, which has been here since the 64, at least.

Mii - There's just no actual character here, it's like playing as the stock facebook profile picture. I'd rather we include more nintendo IP's.

finally, the bottom left box. This is my I would love any of these characters but seriously doubt them.

looking back, maybe roy doesn't belong there, I'm really not sure what sakurai intends to do with the fire emblem line up. not sure they deserve 3 characters, don't think ike will be cut, don't think chrom will be ignored, where does that leave roy?


Please put a number on my insomnia : )
 

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Hmmmm.....

For the newcomers you have the three most likely Mario newcomers, which I like,
You have both Dixie and K rool which is really good.
I like that you added Mona, since not a lot of people add a Wario rep, especially Mona
You have the three most likely Zelda reps which is also really cool
You have the 3 most obvious choices for smash4 (Ridley, Little Mac, and Palutena) which is great!
Your retro choices are all very interesting. I like you added Waddle Dee as many people are hesitant on a new Kirby rep, I also really Krystal and Dillon for the same reason.
I think Isaac should be over Matthew though.
I really like the addition of May and Zoruark. I really like the Chrom and Lucina team and Robin as FE reps. I love all your third party choices, especially Layton.
And I also really like the Porky addition.

Overall this is a very creative and well put roster!
Great Job!
 

TheRealHeroOfWinds

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Well this one is still in progress. (DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF THIRD PARTIES IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS!)



I used photoshop!
 

Vann Accessible

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You people are dreaming if you think they're going to squeeze 50+ characters on the 3DS cart. Sakurai already said expanding the roster isn't his focus this time. I'm thinking the roster size will be a marginal increase to mid 40's. Tops.

With that in mind, here's my conservative roster, with cuts to allow a few more newcomers.



If we got this, I'd be a happy guy.
 
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