KillerJawz
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Fox vs. Ness
Fox vs. Ness
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Things to keep in mind while discussing!
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* Keep a proper wording,
don't insult or yell at the other people discussing inside of this thread.
Although that shouldn't even be mentioned, I've seen it happen.
* Match-Up ratios are fairly subjective.
However, please don't overrate or underestimate a character.
Stuff like "lol, X can't do anything, ****!" is not going to aid us in our discussion.
* How Do We Judge Ratios?
To assign ratios, one must know what each ratio mean.
50:50 - Neutral/Even. Both characters have an equal amount of advantages and disadvantages against each other. The degrees of punishment and tactical efficiency are accurately similar on both sides.
60:40 - Advantage/Disadvantage. One character has something over the other character that puts him/her in a bad position, be it long range, fast speed, high juggle ability, etc. While the lesser character can get around it, it'll often be a nuisance to get around.
70:30 - Heavy Advantage/Disadvantage. The winning character capitalizes on the losing character quite hard. Usually in these cases, it's the winning character has a strength, that directly goes against the character's weakness. For instance X Character is fast and has long range, while Y character is slow and has short range.
80:20 - Extreme Advantage/Disadvantage. Winning Character has something so huge over the losing character that it over-centralizes the match-up(DDD vs DK comes to mind). This starts to enter the realm of unwinnable, though not quite there.
I won't go any higher/lower than that. I also didn't do anything in-between because it's far too specific to go into, though that doesn't mean the ratios can't be used. It mainly pertains to varying degrees when looking at advantages/disadvantages.
When that understood, the rest is easy(not really). Compare and Contrast all advantages and disadvantages of each character, and see which character has the better advantage.
* Don't theorycraft too much.
Keep in mind that while Fox or the character we're discussing in this thread
are able to do a certain move at a certain time, don't just throw this out,
but rather think if this is actually practical and used by good players of these characters.
* If you are new to the discussion, please don't state trivial things.
Best would be to read the discussion properly,
or at least the first and last few pages should the thread go on for a while already.
Saying "Fox can reflect all of X's projectiles." might be true,
but probably has already been mentioned.
* Discussions will be held for about 2 weeks - unless the need of expanding is felt.
The first week will bring a temporary ratio that then will corrected during the second.________________________________
Ness KEY POINTS
Advantages
Disadvantages
Summary
IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION
Strategy & Match-Up Mentality
Aerial Game:
Ground Game:
Approach:
Defense:
Camping Game:
Edge Game:
Surviving:
Killing:
Frame Data:
Stages
Stage Striking
* Possible Fox Strikes
* Possible Ness Strikes
* To Be Classified:
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Final Destination,Battlefield, Smashville, Yoshi's Island (Brawl),
[COLOR="Yellow"]Castle Siege, Halberd, Lylat Cruise, Pokémon Stadium 1[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow indicates a stage that is not commonly a starter, but possible.
Neither player should depend on these[/COLOR]* Possible Fox Bans
* Possible Ness Bans
* To Be Classified:
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Final Destination,Battlefield, Smashville, Yoshi's Island (Brawl),
Castle Siege, Delfino Plaza, Halberd, Lylat Cruise, Pokémon Stadium 1, Brinstar,
Frigate Orpheon, Jungle Japes, Pictochat, Pirate Ship, Pokémon Stadium 2,
Rainbow Cruise, [COLOR="Yellow"]Yoshi's Island (Pipes), Green Greens, Port Town Aero Dive,
Distant Planet, Luigi's Mansion, Norfair[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow indicates a stage that is not commonly legal, but possible.
Neither player should depend on these[/COLOR]* Possible Fox Counterpicks
* Possible Ness Counterpicks
* To Be Classified:
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Battlefield, Final Destination, Smashville, Yoshi's Island (Brawl),
Castle Siege, Delfino Plaza, Halberd, Lylat Cruise, Pokémon Stadium 1, Brinstar,
Frigate Orpheon, Jungle Japes, Pictochat, Pirate Ship, Pokémon Stadium 2,
Rainbow Cruise, [COLOR="Yellow"]Yoshi's Island (Pipes), Green Greens, Port Town Aero Dive,
Distant Planet, Luigi's Mansion, Norfair[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow indicates a stage that is not commonly legal, but possible.
Neither player should depend on these[/COLOR]Videos & Other Outside Resources
VERDICT
MATCH-UP DISCUSSION GO!
MATCH-UP DISCUSSION GO!