Match-up Discussion 15 - Sheik

[Sky Pirate]

Sheik

Advantage/Disadvantage: +1​

Certainly a strange match-up...
A unique recovery, multi-hitting projectile, and good close-range game
How can we keep her out?​

We need the following information:​

-STAGES-
"Best" starters for Oli:
"Worst" starters for Oli:
"Best" counterpicks for Oli:
"Worst" counterpicks for Oli:

Notable "move beats move" situations:

Opponent's primary tools:
How we can deal with opponent's primary tools:

Anything else:
(This section includes gimmicks, minor notes, and anything else that isn't covered)

Don't restrict conversation to just these points.
These are just guidelines to help discussion.
Discuss!​

 

[Sky Pirate]

Okay, I have very little experience with this match-up.

I know Pikmin CAN take entire "clips" of needles, but I'm not sure if that's limited to Blues/Purples.
I also know that Sheik destroys us up close, but how does she approach?

EDIT: Another question, how do needles stale? Is it by individual hits or does it stale once per "clip"?

 

[iLight]

needles stale once per clip i believe, sheik can't really approach olimar safely in my opinion so mostly i just go in and take some damage then try to get ahead.

after I get ahead against olimar i attempt to chain camp own all his pikmin by standing at the ledge and if that doesn't work i cry because imo olimar craps on sheik b/c of run away grabs/sustained hit boxes on pikmin thrown off the ledge

 

[Dabuz]

shiek can hit olimar's shield and make everything safe by jabbing afterwards. Don't shield, don't bother trying to out prioritize her with anything but yellows. Just boost pivot grab everything and whistle to land. Not a hard MU, but its pretty stale

 

[APartofNothing]

From what I remember (haven't played a shiek in a while) If you aren't good at di'ing the downthrow and changing it up, your gonna get pwned.

 

[Sky Pirate]

Okay, so (boost) pivot grab is the tool for this match-up.
- How does she try to get around this and how do we shut it down?
- When we're pushed to the ledge, does she have any special techniques for keeping us there or killing us?
- On another note, what stages should we avoid?

I'm going to be looking into their match-up thread in a little while. A bit to read, but it should provide some good (old) info!