Marth's Uthrow Kill %'s For Every Character

PepaCorn · Jan 31, 2015

Here's every Uthrow kill percentage for every character (From Final Destination with no DI) -

Hopefully this is helpful somehow... I like to use a Uthrow as a last resort when I'm struggling to get a Tipper or a Fair or something (I don't know if Lucina has any differences but this should work for her too)

Alphlex · Jan 31, 2015

thanks PepaCorn, this shall come in handy!

EternalFlame · Jan 31, 2015

First off, welcome you two to SmashBoards xD hope you all enjoy your stay here.

And trust me, this will help greatly for a lot of Marth players. Lucina btw does have a slightly different kill percent from my memory, but if you can test it for us Pepa, that'll be great ^^ Granted, this is the Marth side of the board so you don't have to, but I'd like to promote that the discoveries go around to both Marth and Lucina xD

PepaCorn · Jan 31, 2015

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Locuan · Feb 1, 2015

This is great info. Thanks for compiling this list

Vipermoon · Feb 2, 2015

Yes I also noticed the Lucina thing. I found that she killed Marth 1% later than Marth can kill her with up throw. I figured this was due to Marth being taller.

I also noticed, like you accurately report (thank you btw), that Bowser dies to up throw earlier than DK and DDD. This applies to other situations that I've been in with these 3 characters. You see, the game says Bowser is heaviest. But this isn't the case for some reason.

PepaCorn · Feb 2, 2015

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Lavani · Feb 2, 2015

Weight isn't the only factor involved in knockback, there's another stat called gravity that affects vertical launch resistance. So while Bowser's the hardest character to KO off the sides, Dedede's the hardest to KO off the top.

EDIT: Might just be me being nitpicky, but I like being able to order data. If you use a table, you can click the % column to sort the percentages:

PepaCorn · Feb 2, 2015

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Vipermoon · Feb 2, 2015

Lavani said:
Weight isn't the only factor involved in knockback, there's another stat called gravity that affects vertical launch resistance. So while Bowser's the hardest character to KO off the sides, Dedede's the hardest to KO off the top.

I know about gravity but that isn't going to make a 20% difference between Bowser and DDD. I don't even know if DDD falls faster. But I can tell just by fighting and playing as DDD and DK that they really are heavier than Bowser. They are impossible to kill in any direction. Bowser feels much lighter.

Lavani · Feb 2, 2015

Vipermoon64 said:
I know about gravity but that isn't going to make a 20% difference between Bowser and DDD. I don't even know if DDD falls faster. But I can tell just by fighting and playing as DDD and DK that they really are heavier than Bowser. They are impossible to kill in any direction. Bowser feels much lighter.

It actually will, though the numbers look slightly exaggerated because of how late uthrow kills.

Percents for "red lightning" graphics off tipper fsmash from the starting location on FD:
Bowser 71%
DK 67%
Dedede 67%

As an aside, Dedede's the second fastest falling character (#1 is Fox)

Vipermoon · Feb 2, 2015

Lavani said:
It actually will, though the numbers look slightly exaggerated because of how late uthrow kills.

Percents for "red lightning" graphics off tipper fsmash from the starting location on FD:
Bowser 71%
DK 67%
Dedede 67%

As an aside, Dedede's the fastest falling character (#1 is Fox)

Wow I knew he fell faster than at least Marth but damn. DK falls pretty fast too. Is there a list somewhere for smash 4?

Lavani · Feb 2, 2015

Vipermoon64 said:
Wow I knew he fell faster than at least Marth but damn. DK falls pretty fast too. Is there a list somewhere for smash 4?

There certainly is!

http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-fall-fast-fall-rankings.384660/

Vipermoon · Feb 3, 2015

Lavani said:
There certainly is!

http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-fall-fast-fall-rankings.384660/

Thanks

Airei · Apr 26, 2015

PepaCorn said:
Here's every Uthrow kill percentage for every character (From Final Destination with no DI) -

- Mario - 167%
- Luigi - 160%
- Peach - 154%
- Bowser - 183%
- Yoshi - 165%
- Rosalina % Luma - 148%
- Bowser Jr. - 181%
- Wario - 173%
- Donkey Kong - 194%
- Diddy Kong - 169%
- Mr. Game & Watch - 138%
- Little Mac - 168%
- Link - 176%
- Zelda - 155%
- Sheik - 154%
- Ganondorf - 183%
- Toon Link - 156%
- Samus - 173%
- Zero Suit Samus - 159%
- Pit - 168%
- Palutena - 155%
- Marth - 168%
- Ike - 184%
- Robin - 167%
- Duck Hunt Duo - 171%
- Kirby - 145%
- King Dedede - 204%
- Meta Knight - 152%
- Fox - 153%
- Falco - 158%
- Pikachu - 148%
- Charizard - 171%
- Lucario - 175%
- Jigglypuff - 134%
- Greninja - 158%
- R.O.B. - 173%
- Ness - 158%
- Captain Falcon - 185%
- Villager - 161%
- Olimar - 149%
- Wii Fit Trainer - 159%
- Shulk - 174%
- Dr. Mario - 167%
- Dark Pit - 168%
- Lucina - 168%
- Pac-Man - 163%
- Mega Man - 180%
- Sonic - 164%
- Mii - % Varies depending on equipment

Sorry for the long list but hopefully this is helpful somehow... I like to use a Uthrow as a last resort when I'm struggling to get a Tipper or a Fair or something (I don't know if Lucina has different throw power but this should work for her too)

I think the Rage Effect is significant benefit in this. I KO'd a Falco when I was at 120% and he was at ~125%

PepaCorn · Apr 26, 2015

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Airei · Apr 26, 2015

PepaCorn said:
Yeah of course rage will effect it, it would also probably depend on your placement on the stage and what stage you were on... Different stages have different sized blast zones

Yeah it was on Smashville.

Xisin · Apr 26, 2015

Heres the thing: those charts dont take into account of rage. You will almost always have some rage as it starts as low as 10%. Those value are based on the maximum percent required without DI. Odds are if you are above 140% on rage and the other character is 130+ you will kill them with up throw. I've managed this numerous times now. Rage is a godsend for marth.

PepaCorn · Jun 20, 2015

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SuperScope · Oct 14, 2015

I'm wondering about the low ceiling transformations, like delfino, and what percent would be a safe bet generally speaking? Anyone have any thoughts or experience?

Powerman293 · Oct 15, 2015

Can we just use some rage number for the percent to better match rage kills? Or do we have to test this out in Smash mode?

Ako. · Oct 17, 2015

nice info. when i have the time (maybe next weekend), i'll go ahead and help record up throw kill percents on other stages with and without rage. If others can help that would be great too.

In theory though, from using this data http://smashboards.com/threads/wii-u-stage-blast-zone-data.395357/

town and city should be 4% less than fd, smashville, etc to kill with up throw, and battlefield should be 8% more.

Still gonna test it out in person to get accurate numbers for other stages especially with rage and di.

Xisin said:
Heres the thing: those charts dont take into account of rage. You will almost always have some rage as it starts as low as 10%. Those value are based on the maximum percent required without DI. Odds are if you are above 140% on rage and the other character is 130+ you will kill them with up throw. I've managed this numerous times now. Rage is a godsend for marth.

I thought rage starts at 30%

Vipermoon · Oct 17, 2015

Make sure you guys set the CPU to control. It seems like they DI sometimes.

Darklink401 · Oct 17, 2015

Max rage no DI upthrow (town and city) will kill sheik at 115% (probably a few % earlier, I'll say 114 for a good reference point)

Meaning, if you're at town and city, you can kill people with upthrow 50% earlier with max rage

lmao.

PepaCorn · Nov 3, 2015

Just letting you peeps know that I won't be updating this anymore as any new characters are added or changes made since I don't play Smash4 anymore; Anyone else feel free to take the reigns if changes are made

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