Marth's Counter? Wat u think about it?

[Mahjong]

Man people say its realy cheat and makes me wanna stop using it ya think dats true?

I think its not dat bad cuz it helps me out when i cant think of anything when they start comboing me.

Wat u guys think

 

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i dont think marths counter is cheap cause you can punish someone who spams it easily.

 

[Vall3y]

lol cheap? more like rarely used and under rated imo

 

[Mahjong]

i hardly spam it and every one keeps calin it broken it ticks me off when they say i won cuz of that

 

[Xanskarr]

lawl tomo, you don't win because of counter, you win because of your actually good. Learn to wavedash well, and you may become one of the best players in the school.

 

[MikeyLombardi]

Chances are that the people that say that Countering is cheap are the people that are falling for it....ever thought about it that way?

 

[Xanskarr]

Exactly. However, I, for one, do not say it's cheap. Annoying, yes. Cheap, no.

 

[Mahjong]

wat u guys think about edge guarding with counter then?

 

[Wilhelmsan]

Better to edgeguard with a real attack: Fsmash, dtilt, dair, etc

 

[Grand Mango]

Counter is easy to counter and it's not cheap. It's their choice to attack during it and not wait a moment to avoid getting countered.

 

[Giggidax]

edgeguarding with counter is hardly effective, altho i didnt say it wasnt effective. its an ok edgeguard but not very reliable. i prefer using attacks to edgeguard, i like to use the counter when i know a fox or falco is gonna illusion into me when trying to get back on the stage. its funny watching them run into it.

 

[Zgetto]

i dont think its a really good move.
the first time someone uses it its good but after that its predictable.
it can be pretty usefull for edgegaurdes though

 

[blaargh198]

At first I thought you meant who counters marth, but now i see you are talking about the move.

1. lern 2 tipe.
2. Post in marth's character specific forum, not here
3. If counter was a good attack you'd think you'd see people like Ken, Azen and EK using it a lot more wouldn't you?

 

[WR3K]

i think its a little bit cheap because someone who can implement it well can dominate and beat out some early stocks


i have a friend that always likes to play the aerial game with marth, but anytime you go up there, you have no idea when hes gunna use it or attack, so its not like i can punish him because if i fake him out he just attacks.... my link is too slow to catch up to when he missuses it


only on the ground or in certain circumstances do i know hes going to counter and then i grab



its should atleast be weaker and require more timing then there already is.....

and i say if your going to have a move that can counter almost everything in the game including all sorts of items and characters special attacks..... then atleast give it a random chance of not working, i say make it miss 20% of the time resulting in no collision between characters.... even if i hit marth.... his failed counter will make neither of us get damage..... just not deal damage back to me

 

[wonnage]

If you have a problem getting countered it just means you're way too predictable. Countering basically puts you out of commission for 5 seconds, and the window for marth is only about two seconds tops. So really, it's one of the most useless moves unless you're playing someone who does the same thing every time.

 

[tofucake]

I've fixed your post:

marth can marth people

Anyway, counter is good against people who use an attack for recovery, like Marth, Roy, the danimals, etc... It doesn't do much if Link/Samus decide to air grab the ledge, or a CF/Dorf decides to **** your scrawny body.

 

[Fletch]

i think its a little bit cheap because someone who can implement it well can dominate and beat out some early stocks


i have a friend that always likes to play the aerial game with marth, but anytime you go up there, you have no idea when hes gunna use it or attack, so its not like i can punish him because if i fake him out he just attacks.... my link is too slow to catch up to when he missuses it


only on the ground or in certain circumstances do i know hes going to counter and then i grab



its should atleast be weaker and require more timing then there already is.....

and i say if your going to have a move that can counter almost everything in the game including all sorts of items and characters special attacks..... then atleast give it a random chance of not working, i say make it miss 20% of the time resulting in no collision between characters.... even if i hit marth.... his failed counter will make neither of us get damage..... just not deal damage back to me

Of all the things to complain about Marth, I thought the counter would at least be the exception. Anyways, it is an okay move if you rarely use it, as it is rather punishable, and doesn't really do much damage. Sometimes useful against fastfallers off the edge too.

 

[pdk]

i think its a little bit cheap because someone who can implement it well can dominate and beat out some early stocks

then again, last i checked being able to implement well separated good players from tards

 

[Klowne]

Dodging or shielding an attack allows you to punish an opponent harder than counter can, without the huge vulnerable moment afterwords if you miss it.

Countering can be useful in those rare moments that you're being combo'd in the air and for whatever reason you can't disrupt the combo by dodging or attacking. Also sometimes for gimping certain characters that try to sweetspot the edge. It's okay to counter in these situations.

However, there are people that counter in a situation where shielding, attacking, or dash dancing would be more effective. But the problem is that they have no reason not to, because their friends probably suck at smash and don't try to mix up their attacks.

 

[Mahjong]

Wow dats all i need to know ^.^

u guys sound good to.
Hope i play u guys one of these days

 

[Uck2]

Yes counter is a great move for marth.Whats to complain?

 

[CmRoddy]

if he thinks that Marth's counter is broken or cheap, show them Roy's counter and how it does 1.5x damage back from the attack countered (if that made sense...). now i'm not saying that Roy's counter is cheap either, but tell them that they should be happy your not KOing them with it. counter a Smash with Roy's counter and you go flying.

OT: its not cheap at all. it's just a way to keep them off of you if you need breathing room and to punish people's predictability. nuff said.