Marth

[kario_mart]

i no generic title, but i couldnt think of anything to title this with.

so heres my problem.

i can short hop fine, wavedash fine, but when it comes to shffling i can hardly pull it off all the time. i can l-cancel but when i do my shffl something seems to crap out. so what i resort to is something kinda cheap i think, i dash attck and then do my aerial down and then l cancel to get an easy kill. anyone have any ways i could see if im even shffling?

 

[kennypoopoo]

I think the easiest way to practice SHHFL'ing with Marth is to use your D-air as it is probably the laggiest aerial.Just try and dash after your dair or shield or something. You'll eventually clue on when and when you are not L-canceling. L-canceling gets rid of 50% of the lag so it should be noticeable. Marth's FF seems a little different to me compared to other characters but just keep practicing your SH and then FF at the peak of your jump and squeeze and release your trigger If your shield came up you held onto L or R to long. hope this helped a bit!

 

[ArcNatural]

Don't forget that there is a difference in lag between empty shffls, shffls that hit, and shffls that hit a shield. All of these generally have different l-cancel timing.

You can see if you are l-canceling by dashing right after you shffl, or just holding the button you use to l-cancel. The shield should pop up much faster than normal.

 

[AIDS]

practise Fair, you roll the stick in a quarter circle from forword, to down, and that will help you get the timing easyer, just takes practise.

 

[HiIH]

i can short hop fine, wavedash fine, but when it comes to shffling i can hardly pull it off all the time. i can l-cancel but when i do my shffl something seems to crap out. so what i resort to is something kinda cheap i think, i dash attck and then do my aerial down and then l cancel to get an easy kill. anyone have any ways i could see if im even shffling?

That's a very good way to get shield grabbed. Especially against a Link.

 

[AIDS]

yes it is, HiIH, good eye, i skipped that post, but anyway, it is better to shffl Fair, and after do a grab, or a jab if you are not close enough to get a grab, this will help your spacing aswell, but shuffle Fair is very important, almost NEVER dash atack, it is very predictable.