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marth down tilt help

zzzzzzzzzz

Smash Cadet
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Sep 25, 2007
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ok well i have been watching a few vid. i see players doing jab to Ftilt and jab to grab, do i have to use jab cancel for this to work or use jump cancel grab? marth seems to interrupt everything i do when i am in close with his down tilt and i don't see this happening in vids much. what do i need to be doing to get him to use it less or to punish him for abusing it?

anything else that can help me keep pressure on marth will help also. i do gram as often as i can, need some more tools to keep marth defensive. i decided to start using needle canceling in my game, how useful is this?
 

einthesuperdog

Smash Journeyman
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Apr 30, 2007
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punish CCing with grabs. I don't jab cancel the jab->whatever combos but i'm not a great player so I could easily be wrong. needle canceling is extremely useful.
 

einthesuperdog

Smash Journeyman
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What? mine's not good enough for you!?!?! jk :) you gotta be patient, the sheik boards aren't super active like the fox or marth ones.
 

NeighborhoodP

Smash Hero
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don't punch marth when he's crouching, he'll just cc it to a grab all day long. that's your problem. just let him dtilt and shield grab him.
 

zzzzzzzzzz

Smash Cadet
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Just be sure to not clink Down tilts: Marth's superior grab range can do some serious damage. Have you tried needle grabbing?
by needle grabbing you mean needle cancel to grab?

i guess i am grabbing to slow cause sometimes i get hit with another down tilt before i can grab him.
 

cultofrubik

Smash Journeyman
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Yeah, needle cancel -> grab. Hmmmm, as long as you're JCing your grabs, I guess you'll just have to adapt to the particular Marth you're playing against. If you can manage to somehow out D-tilt, it should "tilt" the Match in your favor when used with the stereotypical Sheik kill. :D

I have a lot of trouble against Marths myself, so I've tried all sorts of stuff as well. Getting a grab/dtilt -> Fair is really your best bet to get some quick damage and, likewise, quick kills.

~cult
 

zzzzzzzzzz

Smash Cadet
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
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Yeah, needle cancel -> grab. Hmmmm, as long as you're JCing your grabs, I guess you'll just have to adapt to the particular Marth you're playing against. If you can manage to somehow out D-tilt, it should "tilt" the Match in your favor when used with the stereotypical Sheik kill. :D

I have a lot of trouble against Marths myself, so I've tried all sorts of stuff as well. Getting a grab/dtilt -> Fair is really your best bet to get some quick damage and, likewise, quick kills.

~cult
yea i used to have more trouble against him before. i got used to spacing him and so on, just the down tilt is annoying now.
 
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