...Marth can still Jab Lock?

[SilverForUbers]

So we know that Marth can no longer Jab Lock off of his Jab, but I've found a new way(yet extremely situational) to Jab Lock on bigger/fatter characters.

I haven't tested this yet on anyone except Bowser and Lucina, with Lucina being to small to successfully Jab Lock, so if I have time I might be able to test it on other characters sometime later.

But like I said, this is highely situational so it might be complete crap that has no use. But I just wanted to say it anyway in the event that you might be able to get it.

From 23-33%(These were the only percentage points I was fast enough in, 34%+ it won't work), you have to Tipper Bair your opponent(which will make them fall into the tumble animation) and quickly jump and Dair them. If you're fast enough, they will get Jab Locked and you're free to do anything you want. I personally do SH DB into Uair etc.
Please be aware that this is data for Bowser only. If I get the time to test it on more characters, I will.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

I'm pretty sure Marth can already jab lock using his non-tippered dtilt. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[SilverForUbers]

I'm pretty sure Marth can already jab lock using his non-tippered dtilt. Correct me if I'm wrong.

He can? I never knew that. I'll go see if it can later.

 

[Xelion]

I've been able to just use Jab 1 and people will get caught in it because of its new little pop up, and I think it was to be on the tip as well. I guess it relies on the DI of the opponent, but when they try escaping I usually just try and tipped F-Smash.

 

[SilverForUbers]

I've been able to just use Jab 1 and people will get caught in it because of its new little pop up, and I think it was to be on the tip as well. I guess it relies on the DI of the opponent, but when they try escaping I usually just try and tipped F-Smash.

Yeah. I guess his Jab is in a way still a Jab Lock since you can do almost anything after it. But the extra 14% or so you get from the Dair is really nice.

 

[Didier337]

These moves can jab lock but until certain percent unfortunately
F-tilt(Untippered) when <24%
N-Special(uncharged) when < 14%

 

[SilverForUbers]

F-tilt(Untippered) and N-Special(uncharged) can jab lock

These must all be at lower percentages I assume? Sucks that Marth isn't able to Jab Lock with his Jab anymore. Sakurai should've kept that there.

 

[Didier337]

These must all be at lower percentages I assume? Sucks that Marth isn't able to Jab Lock with his Jab anymore. Sakurai should've kept that there.

Correct,I forgot to put the percents (F-tilt<24%)(N-special<14%)

 

[SilverForUbers]

Correct,I forgot to put the percents (F-tilt<24%)(N-special<14%)

Do any of Marth's moves make a character fall over at that low of a percent? Only Bair, right?

 

[Didier337]

Do any of Marth's moves make a character fall over at that low of a percent? Only Bair, right?

I can't find any that are viable for now.

 

[SilverForUbers]

I can't find any that are viable for now.

Hopefully we can find some. Marth needs all the extra percent he can get.

 

[Didier337]

Hopefully Marth's sour spots get less/set knock back on them next patch.

 

[SilverForUbers]

Hopefully Marth's sour spots get less/set knock back on them next patch.

Yeah. That would be nice.

 

[Slickfate]

It's sad how you can't make the jab lock duration longer since none of his moves are faster than his jab

 

[SilverForUbers]

It's sad how you can't make the jab lock duration longer since none of his moves are faster than his jab

Yeah. But at least his jab can combo into tipper fsmash on occasion.

 

[Slickfate]

Yeah. But at least his jab can combo into tipper fsmash on occasion.

I guess. I still like a partially charged well spaced Fsmash on a jab lock though.

 

[SilverForUbers]

I guess. I still like a partially charged well spaced Fsmash on a jab lock though.

Yeah. I liked doing Fair → Jab → tipper fsmash as a guaranteed KO setup if they missed their tech.

 

[Zio~]

his spike is also a good lock tool, it gives you enough time for a F-smash tippered, the only problem is actually getting one of those in a real match

 

[Solutionme]

Doesn't footstooling force the opponent to stand up in the same spot? Also does a untipped first hit of nair jab lock or no? Probably not this patch due to the increase in damage. In fact, with the reduction of dair's landing lag, I feel we should be incorporating footstools more in cooperation with dair.

 

[SilverForUbers]

Doesn't footstooling force the opponent to stand up in the same spot? Also does a untipped first hit of nair jab lock or no? Probably not this patch due to the increase in damage. In fact, with the reduction of dair's landing lag, I feel we should be incorporating footstools more in cooperation with dair.

Footstool doesn't cause a neutral get up and I have no idea about Nair.

 

[Didier337]

Doesn't footstooling force the opponent to stand up in the same spot? Also does a untipped first hit of nair jab lock or no? Probably not this patch due to the increase in damage. In fact, with the reduction of dair's landing lag, I feel we should be incorporating footstools more in cooperation with dair.

Footstooling doesnt force a neutral get up but it can't be teched.N-air cause the opponent to flinch upward like Jab 1 so no jab lock.

 

[Solutionme]

Footstooling doesnt force a neutral get up but it can't be teched.N-air cause the opponent to flinch upward like Jab 1 so no jab lock.

Fair enough, I never really footstooled much anyways, the landing lag and lack of hitstun always made it somewhat risky. I only ever tried the nair in this patch anyways.