Marth and Zss

[neji32]

My pika is sorta new but I know all the techs and stuff. I do really good on must opponents but I cant beat a specific marth and Zss.
The marth spams Fair and when i go for a ground attack he dophin slashes.

Zss is like the best dodger ever, I dont know how to approach. I use QAC but I get punished by being out prioritized. Her attacks beat mine.

How do I win

 

[Johnthegalactic]

Will neutral B help against Marths f-air spam?
Uh....I don't use Pikachu much, maybe, if you are trying an arial aproach, get on the ground and throw in a couple thundershocks(not too many as to be spamming though), to aid in aproaching.

and for help with Zero Suit Sambdahf, whoopsfjs, huh, sinda, something is wrong, I cannot help you with your problem with her, sorry.

 

[kock]

if they are really dogey then see if you can catch them in a dsmash. marth try fullhoppped thunder and shield the fair's then take advantage however you want

 

[neji32]

Zss has 3 jumps with the 3rd having insane priority attack over everything

Marths dolphin slash is to fast to counter and breaks my sheild if I block.
His Fair out prioritizes all my aerials and slices through my thunder jolts

 

[Blistering Speed]

Marths Dolphin slash is one of the, if not the best move in the game. You just have to swoop in with QAC and then get the hell out again.

ZSS is much less of a problem, spam her when you get chance and then then get past her comfort zone with rolls/spotdodges etc. Right next to ZSS, you've got the advance. Edgehog when you get chance and in the air you've probably got the advantage too.

 

[Jmex]

Will neutral B help against Marths f-air spam?
Uh....I don't use Pikachu much, maybe, if you are trying an arial aproach, get on the ground and throw in a couple thundershocks(not too many as to be spamming though), to aid in aproaching.

and for help with Zero Suit Sambdahf, whoopsfjs, huh, sinda, something is wrong, I cannot help you with your problem with her, sorry.

LOL, because you still want to have the heads up?

 

[neji32]

Marths Dolphin slash is one of the, if not the best move in the game. You just have to swoop in with QAC and then get the hell out again.

ZSS is much less of a problem, spam her when you get chance and then then get past her comfort zone with rolls/spotdodges etc. Right next to ZSS, you've got the advance. Edgehog when you get chance and in the air you've probably got the advantage too.

im sorry i didnt mean dolphin slash, i ment his side be the blade dance or whatever its called. How do you get pass that

 

[Ekoix.exe]

Why is it your not projectile ****** Marth? If he's short hop approaching with a fair, Shield grab or Powershield to a down smash. If he's a counter ***** then go with CGing him untill he learns his lesson. Main key against marth is to not get caught up in his combo's

 

[NoobCake]

Use thunder jolt more. It's quite annoying against Marths.

 

[fkacyan]

ZSS, the best dodger? WTF? All three of her dodges (Spot, Roll, Air) only give her invincibility for 1/3 of the frames.

I'm going to say that being right up next to ZSS is a notoriously bad idea unless she's in the middle of hitstun or a laggy move. Her uptilt is faster than everything but your jab, I believe.