Mario: Nerfed or Buffed?

[mariofanpm12]

I tried using the Search function, but it didn't work correctly, so I'm not quite sure if this topic ha sbeen done already...

Would you say that, overall, Mario has been nerfed or buffed?

This takes into account any changes in range, speed, lag, power, knockback, etc. to his old moves, as well as additions of new moves like the new D-air and FLUDD.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I'd say he was probably slightly buffed. Not by much, though.

 

[BoTastic!]

Umm we had this discussion months ago. Lock.

 

[HeroMystic]

Yeah, this discussion actually came up awhile back. Guess the search function wasn't working for you.

Mario got buffed however. However he lost some things in Melee, like the D-throw chaingrab.

Better kill power, more kill moves. stronger aerials, MUCH better recovery.

 

[Taeran]

Mario did seem to get better, but I don't have very much input due to the lack of melee experience.

 

[Matador]

Mario's biggest problems in melee were recovery and kill power. He now has both. Major buff

 

[cHooKay]

yeah this thread has been made in the past, but to answer your question. Seriously buffed, even the dtilt (sort of)...

the only nerf mario has been left with is his bthrow, it throws them in a higher trajectory instead of a flatter one, so you can't really kill with it the same way all mario mains have been doing in melee. Usually if I'm on the edge of the stage with the opponent at least 160 percent, the bthrow kills.

Other than that, mario has been seriously buffed...

 

[mariofanpm12]

Well I think Mario's range on some moves has been cut a bit...

A lot of his moves are weaker % wise, especially compared to the overpowered lightweights and stuff...

 

[Judge Judy]

Buffs:

+Way better recovery

+Actual kill power

+FLUDD

+Better aerials in terms of range and priority

+Uair and Dair are now slightly disjointed

+Much better Up B in terms of recovery distance (not counting Up B wall jump) and priority

+Cape now has really crazy physics and it actually reverses momentum now rather than just turning an opponent around

Nerfs:

-Brawl's low hitstun greatly limits the amount of true combos Mario has; pretty much the biggest "nerf" Mario got though it's not really his fault, still, he still has some true combos and juggles very well

-Ftilt, cape, and fireballs have a little less range

-Bthrow does not kill nearly as well as it did in Melee

-A percent or two of dmg has been shaved off some of his atks

-No longer has any CGs

 

[vato_break]

i like how you can survive after using a fair now but, i don't like how the fair has 2 hitboxes the very weak hitbox is lame

 

[Judge Judy]

i like how you can survive after using a fair now but, i don't like how the fair has 2 hitboxes the very weak hitbox is lame

I hate Fair in both games, but at least it's worth using off-stage now.

 

[vato_break]

and i liked the voice actor from melee....mario's star ko taunt should of been the one from n64 and in his back throw he should of said "so long eh bowser"

 

[Judge Judy]

and i liked the voice actor from melee....mario's star ko taunt should of been the one from n64 and in his back throw he should of said "so long eh bowser"

Me too, and that one with Bowser would of made a nice easter egg.

 

[vato_break]

i'm actually making a combo video with the title "so long eh bowser" haha

 

[Baseballfan1456]

Buffs:

+Way better recovery

+Actual kill power

+FLUDD

+Better aerials in terms of range and priority

+Uair and Dair are now slightly disjointed

+Much better Up B in terms of recovery distance (not counting Up B wall jump) and priority

+Cape now has really crazy physics and it actually reverses momentum now rather than just turning an opponent around

Nerfs:

-Brawl's low hitstun greatly limits the amount of true combos Mario has; pretty much the biggest "nerf" Mario got though it's not really his fault, still, he still has some true combos and juggles very well

-Ftilt, cape, and fireballs have a little less range

-Bthrow does not kill nearly as well as it did in Melee

-A percent or two of dmg has been shaved off some of his atks

-No longer has any CGs

Wouldn't having a (somewhat) easily spammable projectile be a buff? (I played as Mario in Melee a while ago and his fireballs were so slow)

 

[Matador]

I hate Fair in both games, but at least it's worth using off-stage now.

I loved the Fair in melee mainly because of Lcanceling. If we could Lcancel the Fair we have now, it'd be an excellent combo starter/jablock setup.

 

[Judge Judy]

I loved the Fair in melee mainly because of Lcanceling. If we could Lcancel the Fair we have now, it'd be an excellent combo starter/jablock setup.

It still wasn't very good because of it's tremendous startup lag, yah, you could pull off some nice combos if you landed it but there were always better moves to use.

 

[Matador]

It still wasn't very good because of it's tremendous startup lag, yah, you could pull off some nice combos if you landed it but there were always better moves to use.

Not really. The startup lag wasn't much of an issue and Mario's only combo starter (aerial, Utilt kicks everything's ***) close to Fair in effectiveness was Dair. Also keep in mind the range and priority it had, and the fact that the entire hitbox was a meteor, not just some of it. Wavedashing added a few options to it as well, like retreating Fairs, and they were always fastfalled. I know it was MY weapon of choice for techchasing.

The only problem I had with that attack was how risky it was offstage, especially since Mario's recovery was such a liability.

 

[Judge Judy]

Not really. The startup lag wasn't much of an issue and Mario's only combo starter (aerial, Utilt kicks everything's ***) close to Fair in effectiveness was Dair. Also keep in mind the range and priority it had, and the fact that the entire hitbox was a meteor, not just some of it. Wavedashing added a few options to it as well, like retreating Fairs, and they were always fastfalled. I know it was MY weapon of choice for techchasing.

I still perfer Doc's Fair finisher in Melee to Mario's meteor by far; Dthrow CG to Fair was amazing.

 

[Matador]

I still perfer Doc's Fair finisher in Melee to Mario's meteor by far; Dthrow CG to Fair was amazing.

Same here, I wish they would've given Mario's that kind of knockback on the outer hitbox.

 

[Judge Judy]

Same here, I wish they would've given Mario's that kind of knockback on the outer hitbox.

That would of made Mario's Fair broken.

 

[mario brawler]

that would be good ;D

 

[PKNintendo]

Seeing as how Melee Mario was way to high in the early tier lists... Added to his... questionable recovery... better voice actor... carry to five...

I think he's a little bit better.

Stutter step Fsmash>Melee Mario's killing. LOL

 

[Matador]

The problem wasn't the range on it, it was the fact that you NEEDED to sweetspot to kill. BWD -> Fsmash >>>>>> Stutterstepped Fsmash; Silv will tell you.

Mario's sourspot Fsmash isn't pathetic anymore, and his sweetspot is alot easier to land/more powerful. It's just a better move in general now. I never pay attention to the voice actor. He never says anything anyways. He just makes noises.

 

[PKNintendo]

The problem wasn't the range on it, it was the fact that you NEEDED to sweetspot to kill. BWD -> Fsmash >>>>>> Stutterstepped Fsmash; Silv will tell you.

Mario's sourspot Fsmash isn't pathetic anymore, and his sweetspot is alot easier to land/more powerful. It's just a better move in general now. I never pay attention to the voice actor. He never says anything anyways. He just makes noises.

BWD???

His voice in Melee just sounded... More Mario. Don't sweat, everyone's VA sucks in Brawl.

 

[Matador]

Backward Wavedash

And you're probably right. I honestly liked how Mario looked on Melee more as well.

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

I like Mario's Bair more in melee...

 

[Matt07]

Mario's taunts were buffed.

 

[Takeshi245]

Mario's taunts were buffed.

LOL so true! *Sighs* I wish there was more hitstun, L-canceling, and wavedashing in this game. Mario would be so epic right now.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Mario has the same voice actor in both games, just different clips.