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Poor MK... I am really sad about that but I guess it's okay. His F-air got buffed so... Yay...
I still think that MK will still be a great character (thank god I won't hate him as much), but he just has to work a little bit harder in order to rack up those KOs since MK can have trouble KOing at super high-percents. I think those nerfs are pretty duable...
Samus looks so delicious now. Her new dash attack hitbox can combo into up B. F-tilt is better. This is the patch she needed so badly.
Just hope that Mario doesn't get nerfed in the next patch (if there's one)!We really have to be grateful to Sakurai for not touching Mario during the entire development of DLC and balance patches... We really got lucky.
Mario won't get any more changes. He is not winning any national tournament and seldom places top 8 in those too. He has no horrible MUs but he doesn't have any dominant MUs either (I think). We should be safe from the nerfhammer.
I don't know. Mario hasn't been doing too bad. Pretty much the same as a lot of the other characters in the top 10. He just doesn't get tweaks because he's pretty well balanced.
Yeah. I think so too. The only true MU that we really have to worry about at this point is
. We still have to watch out for some other matchups, but after the nerfs from, Mario's MUs against them became a lot more duable and are a lot more easier to handle. There might be some mid or low-tiers that we have to worry (just to name a few), but we still don't really know what these characters can do to actually exploit Mario's weaknesses.
XDD. lol...While I feel that this patch benefited a lot for Mario's matchups, I still don't think he will be top-tier material. I still think he's high-tier, but he might go down eventually as people know more the matchup...I knew Mario would one day rise. I don't know if we can call him "S tier" material though.
We need an all new tier called the "M Tier". It shall be above the the S tier and the only person allowed on it is Mario.
And we shall have everyone main Mario and create 20MarioMario (20MM)
Nah. He'll probably be top 10 forever. A lot of people used to say that everyone would learn the MU and then that would be it for Mario. That hasn't happened after over a year and his MU spread is just getting better and better. He pretty much has only up to go in the tier list. Potentially top 5 in the future, in my opinion. Depends on results really but now that his only "real" bad MUs have pretty much been eliminated, there is nothing standing in his way.
We have to see, but we should wait at least a week in order to re-discuss the matchups. Some top-tiers and low-tiers got changed after this patch and this can affect the matchup ratio quite a bit. I'm just curious how's the
will look like after the patch? These five did get pretty good buffs, and I feel we should re-discuss some of the low-tiers...
Let's just pray for no more nerfs on Mario. It may be less likely because Sakauri finds him *ahem* "Balanced" but we may never know. The only big top tiers standing in Mario's way are
and maybe . Otherwise, Mario may stay top 10 forever but I still wanna see Mario win at least one International. Once he does, he will sure rise and the M tier will finally be made. And 20MM will come into action. 
I wouldn't say Bayo is a bad MU for Mario, though. Rosalina, on the other hand, is definitely (still not terrible). With Bayo, because of her terrible frame data, we can punish her hard if she uses half of her moveset. She's also super light, meaning, if she gets punished even at a low percent that can end the stock. Another thing is that she has trouble with characters that have smaller hurtboxes. Mario doesn't have nearly as much trouble escaping her combos as, say, Bowser would.Let's just pray for no more nerfs on Mario. It may be less likely because Sakauri finds him *ahem* "Balanced" but we may never know. The only big top tiers standing in Mario's way are
I'm curious, how is Marth a -2? If I recall correctly, a -2 is a near invalidation of the losing character.
As others have said, Lucina and Yoshi are not losing MUs for him. Also, in my opinion, the only MU that is -2 for him is Rosa. I would put everyone else that he loses to down to -1. I'm unsure about G&W. The only reason he potentially beats us is due to his amazing edge-guarding. If not for that he would probably lose to us. Pretty good list overall.
The only thing I don't agree with is Mario losing to Falco. I actually find that matchup pretty damn horrible for Falco.
Depends on what you consider top tier (ZeRo considers it top 15 for some reason). Definitely, Mario will be rising. He's already really good and now he's only got more room to get better. I'm glad to be a Mario main right now.
I put Falco at "slight advantage", meaning Mario has an advantage over him (+1).
I can see Ganondorf being even. I'm curious about the rest.
I also forgot to say that, but I think that Kirby is +1 or +2. Even though Kirby got massively buffed in latest patch, it still doesn't make me think that the matchup is even, but it's still duable for Kirby. I honestly would pick Dr. Mario for this matchup, because Mario tends to struggle against small floaty characters since he can't combo them as much as the other characters. Dr. Mario does actually a better job against small and floaties as opposed to Mario.
I'm torn between top tier being top 3 or top 4. I always thought that he was just out of top tier range, because of how bad he did against them. That could change now.
Oh...I saw that.I put Falco at "slight advantage", meaning Mario has an advantage over him (+1).
My guess at what the future top 5 will be:
5th is either , , or
I agree that Rosalina might end up being #1 by default, which isn't good for us, but Mario is a likely candidate for the #2 spot. If not him, then Ryu.My guess at what the future top 5 will be:
This is just my prediction. Pretty much all the threat for Mario is out of the way except for Rosa. Diddy is bound for top 2 easily. Could be a fight between him and the others, though. Basically anyone but Rosa that I listed here could pretty much be interchangeable. I definitely think the path has cleared for characters like Diddy, Fox, and Mario, though. It's really a new age.
Uhh... Ryu has dropped off the face of the Earth. He has practically no rep and no results anymore. I wouldn't even put him in top 10 at this point. But, yeah, Mario is doing well. I don't think we should be too worried about Rosa, though, since most people will probably flock to Cloud and Bayo as well as a lot of the other characters I put in the top 5. Everything is coming up Mario!
If we're focusing purely on results then Rosalina shouldn't be up too high either, because she only has a handful of dedicated players. I don't believe that results make or break a character, not that it matters to Mario, because he has them, but still.
Mario has results AND theory. Ryun suffers from the "Yoshi effect": Having a lot of solid theory-crafting but not much results to back it up. Not even rep.
What Ryu doesn't have in quantity, he has in quality. Yes, he doesn't have much representation, but the ones that play him perform very strongly with him, like Trela, DJ Jack, and Mr. R. Like Rosalina, he doesn't get much attention because of his high learning curve.
only -2 is Rosa IMO. Corrin and Marth are a -1. I'd also move Link, Yoshi, Charizard and Ganon to even (maybe even a -1 on Ganon, that MU is hard). then Pika and Lucario to +1 these are the changes I'd make
Even if Ganon got buffed a lot, I still think that the MU is even. Plus, Ganondorf doesn't have the tools as opposed to Marth and Corrin to properly deal with Mario's weaknesses. Even if Ganon can kill Mario early, outspace him quite easily and edgeguard him, Mario does the same thing back to Ganon. He edgeguards Ganon very hard, comboes him so hard and Ganon can't keep up with Mario's pressure and neutral once he gets in. There's so much more I can say, but I'm busy right now. So yeah...