Mario and Fox and Pivot grabs

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Feb 29, 2016
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It seems like characters who have really good aerial frame data and safe landing options do really good against Meta knight. My trouble is approaching Mario after his Bair. It just seems so unpunishable, even if i perfect shield it. What are some good options against Mario in the neutral? Another problem would be fox, naturally a player over meta knight is really good for meta knight but it seems fox has safe landing options against Meta knight. How do you guys on average deal with these 2 characters?
My last question would be pivot grabs. I really wanna start incorporating them alot more but im having trouble using it in neutral. I feel like it could it be a good option against Fox's Dair or even Clouds Dair but i have i cant seem to time it right. What are the best uses for Pivot grabs?
 
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