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Major Sheik Critique

Sweet™

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This is from just a few days ago. I have a terrible time with the spacies matchup. What's my next step to becoming better against them? What do I need to do more of, and less of? I know I mess up A LOT which ties into "needs more tech skill work." What exactly do I need to practice to increase the areas of my tech skill that are weak? When being attacked and killed in situations shown in the video, what should I HAVE done instead of what I DID do.

Any critique is helpful. Just don't make me cry. :l

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x5TFBpxYRs&feature=relmfu
 

Sweet™

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Cease the fsmashes and edgeguard better.
I never do an fsmash willingly. Sometimes when I go to jump, or fall through a platform to do a bair, I don't jump because sometimes I have lag, and don't notice it, so my fingers move faster than the lag period, and flick the c-stick in a direction. It ties into tech skill, and I'm trying to work on that.

Simply saying "edgeguard better" isn't going to help me. Instead of doing what I did, what should I HAVE done?
 

Dees

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At the beginning you tried twice to edgeguard by standing on stage and charging needles. I've seen you do this when we play and it never works. I don't main sheik as you know lol but thats just something I've noticed.

So go for gimps kids
 

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0:34 I think here, it was easy to confirm that, from the height he was firefoxing, those needles would not have hit him. It would have been better to just wait, and ftilt when he dropped down towards the ledge, then fair.

Btw, your crouch-cancelling is really good.

0:53 I'm sure that was a techskill error. Obviously, the platform was a far superior choice, if not the ledge.

1:05 The same thing came up. I think you could've ftilted after those needles to catch his upB. You seemed to call his jump, perhaps a bair would've been better?

1:09 Needles at that range, especially not charged at all, won't give you anything useful. He jumped over you and out of the way of any punish before you had even left needle lag. If you can call him rolling into you like that, try something with more profit, like a grab/downsmash/ftilt.

1:13 Uthrow > upsmash shouldn't really work on Sheik. You should be able to jump out of it.

1:19 Drop through > bair would have been TONS more profitable than drop through > needle charge. Lol. You need to be more conscious of when, during edgeguarding/gimping, you can needle.

1:29 Stop that.

1:38 Nair OoS/jump OoS > retreat to platform would be better here, because it seems kind of a given that he was fishing for a roll/spotdodge, or something like that. Grab should work as well.

1:45 He likes doing that, waiting for you to recover with something, then punishing. You could try invincible ledgedashing (timing is pretty strict to keep the invincibility from the ledge, and requires practice), stall at the ledge for a bit to nettle him, jump from the ledge > retreat to platform. I think jumping from the ledge > throwing needle would have worked, but I'm less sure on that.

1:51 Train yourself to recognize when your opponents' are shielding/want to shield after a roll, and grab in these situations.

1:54 I'm assuming the upsmash was a mistake. When he's on a platform, you want to either poke at him from underneath, or charge needles under a side platform to coax him into coming down.

Yeah, those fsmashes need to stop.

So I'm noticing that you've got some tech skill issues, as well as general decision making issues. The issue with tech skill can be solved with practice. As for the decision making, that seems to be an issue with you not always looking at exactly where your opponent is positioned, and making decisions accordingly. I especially notice this in your edgeguarding.

Don't want the post to drag on forever, so I'll end here, but I suggest looking at it again, and trying to figure out why you used moves at the instances I pointed out, and try to look at what moves you used in situations where you got hit/comboed/killed, and ask yourself, "Why did I do this? Is there a better situation? Was I adequately reacting to my opponent in this situation?" Watch your opponent at all times. This is probably the most important point.

Also, watching better players play these MUs will, often enough, give you an idea of what moves work in certain situations. They are much better than we are at recognizing a situation, and adapting accordingly. If something comes up during a set of M2K/Amsah that you recognize as a situation you were in, ask how they responded, and if it was different/more efficient than what you would do/did do.

Gosh, I'm so arrogant. I don't even think about this character. Hope this helps some.
 

Get Low

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It's an Ohio reunion up in this thread.

EDIT: Take some time to practice dropping through platforms and aerialing.
I used to have the same problem, but with some practice I was able to quit smashing on the platforms.
 

S1 The God

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I can confirm most of what Shrouded said

basically when you play me and any fox you seem to think that trying to edgeguard them with needles is your best option. I'll literally get a free recovery every time you're standing in the middle of the stage charging needles. RUN OUT THERE AND SLAP ME DAMNIT
 

Van.

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I never do an fsmash willingly. Sometimes when I go to jump, or fall through a platform to do a bair, I don't jump because sometimes I have lag, and don't notice it, so my fingers move faster than the lag period, and flick the c-stick in a direction. It ties into tech skill, and I'm trying to work on that.

Simply saying "edgeguard better" isn't going to help me. Instead of doing what I did, what should I HAVE done?
ah. Then clean up that tech skill.

My bad. Some people have an idea of how to edgeguard but need to be reminded to try to cover multiple options during matches.

Like techasing spacies, edgeguarding them is something you learn to do with experience playing them. There is no perfect flowchart you can do at any percent to garuntee a succesful edgeguard. You just have to keep playing, trying out different ways of covering options, and watching for patterns in their recovery. Know what options beat what and such.

But as others have said, standing midstage and charging needles against a firefox is bad. Bair or fair that firefox if you can, but if you don't react in time or commit to another option then be sure you at least stalk him to where he lands and get a dash attack or upair (if he goes onto the platform) out of it.
 

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Why does every smasher have to use some sort of electronical **** in their vids?
 
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