M4FD team...edited..again

[Gray]

well, with the minus speed, he could be a trick room counter too, messing up teams that use trick room

Trick room teams typically abuse Curse and have the minimum speed IV, but you could try. Anyway, only major flaw is Starmie's item. If you're going to use a choice scarfer, I'd pick someone more powerful like Garchomp.

 

[mood4food77]

then what should i use for starmie

 

[Gray]

then what should i use for starmie

Life orb.
/tenchars

 

[mood4food77]

but starmie is a rapid spinner, life orb and rapid spin shouldn't mix...unless a recover move is involved

 

[Gray]

but starmie is a rapid spinner, life orb and rapid spin shouldn't mix...unless a recover move is involved

Uh, leftovers I guess? I mean, choice items and rapid spin don't work too well either.

 

[Deleted member]

how bout thunder reducing berry
or better yet, bright poweder hax

 

[mood4food77]

ugh, i just had lefties on starmie

i'll go for expert belt on starmie and black belt on electivire

 

[mood4food77]

update b1tch3z

 

[Chill]

Just a few notes:

Lonely isn't quite the standard for Electivire. I mean it is but Adamant is a perfectly usable option. We already discussed this in another RMT but Adamant allows you to put all of your EVs into offense instead of splitting them. Thus, your Electivire can hit harder when it has killed Skamory or when Skarmory is not present on a team. Lonely OHKOS Skarmory while Adamant 2HKOs. Both are perfectly usable and it is entirely up to you which to use.

Stealth Rock should be replaced with Gyro Ball on Bronzong if you have no spikes/roar/whirlwind to use them with.

Togekiss should have
Nasty Plot
Air slash
Wish/Flamethrower
Thunder wave/Body Slam

Take advantage of the hax.

 

[mood4food77]

i was going for a different togekiss, but ok

gyro ball on bronzong..ok

and togekiss over porygon z?

 

[Chill]

That's why I left flamethrower. The last slot can be used for ice beam. Wether you're using hax or just looking to inflict damage you should have nasty plot.

I think porygon would suit your team over togekiss.

 

[mood4food77]

really, even though i have no kind of special wall...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Just a few notes:

Lonely isn't quite the standard for Electivire. I mean it is but Adamant is a perfectly usable option. We already discussed this in another RMT but Adamant allows you to put all of your EVs into offense instead of splitting them. Thus, your Electivire can hit harder when it has killed Skamory or when Skarmory is not present on a team. Lonely OHKOS Skarmory while Adamant 2HKOs. Both are perfectly usable and it is entirely up to you which to use.

Stealth Rock should be replaced with Gyro Ball on Bronzong if you have no spikes/roar/whirlwind to use them with.

Togekiss should have
Nasty Plot
Air slash
Wish/Flamethrower
Thunder wave/Body Slam

Take advantage of the hax.

Lonely IS the standard but it's perfectly fine to use Adamant. I think Lonely is the standard because:

1) Lonely doesn't lower Sp.Atk, which Electivire could use of it has Thunderbolt.
2) Lonely lowers Electivire's Defense. His Defense was already low, so this isn't a big loss.
3) The preferred nature isn't Naughty (Atk+ SpDef-) because A) Electivire's Sp.Def is already decent and B) Without his Sp.Def lowered, he can safely switch into Surfs and threaten the Water type that Surfed.

Oh yes, about the Togekiss moveset... Couldn't Roost be used over Nasty Plot? I mean, M4FD did say he needed a Special Wall.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

yes. but with togekiss i gain another electric weakness which evens out with the 2 immune to electric

and adds a rock weakness but donphan resists rock

and one more ice weakness though, but it can take 2 ice beams while donphan can definitely take 2 ice punches

 

[Chill]

Lonely IS the standard but it's perfectly fine to use Adamant. I think Lonely is the standard because:

1) Lonely doesn't lower Sp.Atk, which Electivire could use of it has Thunderbolt.
2) Lonely lowers Electivire's Defense. His Defense was already low, so this isn't a big loss.
3) The preferred nature isn't Naughty (Atk+ SpDef-) because A) Electivire's Sp.Def is already decent and B) Without his Sp.Def lowered, he can safely switch into Surfs and threaten the Water type that Surfed.

Notice I said "Lonely isn't quite the standard. I mean it is but Adamant is a perfectly usable option." I already explained Thunderbolt in my own post. It isn't like choosing a nature for some other pokemon where one is clearly better than the other. It's the players choice but I've already said all of this.

mood4food when you asked if you should be using Togekiss over Porygon I thought you meant if it should take is place as a special attacker. If you want a wall then you'll need a recovery move on Togekiss.

 

[mood4food77]

ok....

so, roost is a must on togekiss then

 

[mood4food77]

thinking about a breloom...hmmm

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

thinking about a breloom...hmmm

How about this?

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-) OR Jolly (Spd+ SpAtk-)
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP

Protect / Substitute
Spore
Mach Punch / Focus Punch
Seed Bomb

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

i got the standard breloom listed

i didn't know it was the standard until i went to smogon to look at the item to use...so i'm keeping it, it needs stone edge badly

who should i take out for breloom...i'm probably still gonna EV train a porygon-z and a donphan/weezing anyways

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

For Breloom, I'd get rid of Weezing or Donphan. They both look sooooooooo good, though... So I can't tell you which one to remove.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

i know they do....

i might get rid of donphan cause breloom and donphan counter the same pokes...

would my team get better or worse with breloom...just asking

i might make him a back up too

it's also harder to counter breloom

spore punch FTW

 

[mood4food77]

it didn't show the above post right away...so i didn' tknow if it worked or not

 

[mood4food77]

trying the team out on shoddybattle

we'll see how good it goes

it consists of

starmie
togekiss
electivire
bronzong
weezing
breloom

 

[fluffy]

hurry with ur team already haha cuz im going to college soon so i can battle u.

actually, nvmd we get free laptops so just hurry with ur team anywayz.

 

[mood4food77]

i don't think i'll ever get it done...i just won't hav etime


unless someone would hack it for me

well, as of right now, i took out weezing for donphan, and i did much better

still not sure on breloom though

 

[H@wK]

I can help you train (not hack) some Pokes for you. I'm bored here, so, it's no problem. Just tell me which Pokemon you need and I'll train it ASAP. I have some good Dittos here waiting for sex :D

 

[mood4food77]

well, i can do the breeding for you

i have a shroomish with nearly perfect IVs (well perfect for him)

i can trade you that, but with him, make sure you level him up to level 45 before you evolve him, it is a must (spore)

and i can finish a koffing, i need all the other pokes but electivire and the 2 i stated

 

[mood4food77]

bump for edit in team