Lucas is Speedy

[AsbestosBlatant]

http://topicscollector.blog55.fc2.com/blog-entry-2815.html

So, how can anybody claim he's a Ness clone now? Exploding PK Fire, PK Freeze that moves faster than a metroid, etc etc.

And I was right! PK Thunder keeps you perfectly suspended in the air, rather than letting you drop like Ness. His A attacks and jumps look pretty sweet, I'm in awe that his second jump took him up from the bottom magnifier into recovery range.

Your thoughts on this?

 

[csir]

Whats that move he uses around 0:42.. It looks pretty strong

 

[AdmantNESS]

It was his Up Smash. It makes me wonder how they will buff Ness.

 

[Droogieb]

Best character ever. Wow he will be unstoppable.

 

[Zek]

PK Freeze looks ridiculous. Lucas looks pretty awesome, though it's hard to say how good he'll actually be from any video. I don't see how they can leave Ness his old specials now though, they would be an embarassment.

 

[Blobulator]

Wow, he looks a *lot* better than I expected. Just wondering how good Ness will be in comparison now. I was particularly amazed at the speed and control he had over PK Freeze against Melee's PK Flash. It was just incredible... o.o

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

PK Fire looks like garbage and when he hits himself into peach with PK Thunder the second time in that video he only deals TEN% garbage...pk thunder is also slower

it does have less lag and can make sharper turns tho


but i cant get over pk fire being stupid

 

[Firekid2]

PK Fire looks like garbage and when he hits himself into peach with PK Thunder the second time in that video he only deals TEN% garbage...pk thunder is also slower

it does have less lag and can make sharper turns tho


but i cant get over pk fire being stupid

Eh? It looked like it did 20% dmg to me...

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

PK Fire looks like garbage and when he hits himself into peach with PK Thunder the second time in that video he only deals TEN% garbage...pk thunder is also slower

it does have less lag and can make sharper turns tho


but i cant get over pk fire being stupid

Shut up Simna.


He's still better than Ness. : P

Lol, n00b AMIRITE?

 

[Dry Bones]

PK fire looks really odd, but overall i am loving the look of Lucas

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Simna! How could you say such things? I would have thought you'd jumped for joy after seeing how awesome his PK thunder is! Look at that sharp turn...the range it gets when he blasts himself...*froths*

Also, you probably missed it, but Lucas's PK thunder 2 hits multiple times and does more damage at close range. The first time he hit Peach, he nailed her for about 20% damage and hit twice. The second time, he only hit her once and did about 10%. At closer range, I'm sure this move will do a lot more damage. It seems to have knockback either way.

As for PK fire, I don't see how it's stupid at all. It deals about 9% when it hits, and that's more than Ness will deal most of the time thanks to the fact that PK Fire (Ness) is easy to DI out of. Most of the time, Ness will struggle to deal 4% out of a PK fire. The only good point about that move was that it stuffed people over the edge and allowed for Ness to try some combos (which didn't work about 60% of the time)

Look how much faster Lucas's PK fire goes! It's wonderful. Just wonderful.

Some observations though:

Lucas's up smash is incredibly slow. I mean SLOW. Like IKE level slow. Check out that part where he hits Kirby with it. He must have been truly psychic if he predicted Kirby would be hit by that. The lag at the end of the attack is also tremendous. I doubt this move will be used much in competitive play.

Downsmash looks great for edgeguarding though.

 

[Airgemini]

His PK Freeze looks awesome!

 

[Phlemingo]

He can also probably djc because of his jumps.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

He can DJC. He does it near the end of the movie, just before Kirby sucks him into his pot.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

I'm going to seriously try doing a short hop PK Fire as soon as I get the game. That will be awesome. I always hated I couldn't even try to do it with Ness.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

BACKWARDS shorthop PK fire = coolest evasive/spacing trick ever.

Because of the pushback effect...

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

BACKWARDS shorthop PK fire = coolest evasive/spacing trick ever.

Because of the pushback effect...

That sounds good too. Wonder how spammable PK Fire could be though...

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

So far it looks very spammable. There's hardly any startup time and only minimal lag, plus a neat little pushback to make it harder to punish. It seems to offer decent stun when it hits, though, but only 8% damage.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Well, I prefer effectiveness to damage. Same for PK Thunder, I'd rather have it go far than make it short and strong.

I just hope I find a good use for his UpSmash, seems to good to allow some lag get in his way... but that's something I'll actually have to play with, not something I can really plan. :/

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Upsmash seems iffy. It's a possibility it has super armor, but aside from that, it's just too slow. Especially since characters can air dodge multiple times.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

You do have to wait for a moment before you AD again. Still, I need to do it on my own so I can feel it. Right now the only thing I can think of is PK Freeze + USmash

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Now that's a thought, but characters will probably be able to break out of the freeze before they fall within range. And this attack's main perk is it's KO power after all, (you can't launch them normally if they're frozen)

 

[S2]

Now that's a thought, but characters will probably be able to break out of the freeze before they fall within range. And this attack's main perk is it's KO power after all, (you can't launch them normally if they're frozen)

I'm guessing that the freezes main use will be some tactic where you send it out quickly to hit characters who are off the edge and trying to recover.

We'll have to see.

If anything, the fact that its fast will make it much better than PK Flash in Melee. That move was useless because it wasn't practical for any situation except melees with bad players.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Yeah, I doubt it even needs to be that specific. PK freeze looks safe and awesome. I'll bet it'll be great as a follow-up attack during aerial combos.

 

[NessOnett]

If anything, the fact that its fast will make it much better than PK Flash in Melee. That move was useless because it wasn't practical for any situation except melees with bad players.

i'd just like to say that's untrue, it is great for certain edgeguarding situations, and has helped me out in tournaments before.

But as for the topic of the thread, i guess this means Ness will still be a slow and powerful character with a beastly baseball bat huh? (to prevent the similarity with Lucas)

 

[Lucas_User]

And this is why I'm maining him.

 

[Levitas]

Nessbounder, how cool would it be if PK fire cancelled upon landing? It'd be like a Lucas Shl, sort of.

I want Ness to be beastly. That is my wish.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Now that's a thought, but characters will probably be able to break out of the freeze before they fall within range. And this attack's main perk is it's KO power after all, (you can't launch them normally if they're frozen)

Yes... it's just a thought. The thing is, 3 things could happen, they unfreeze before hit with USmash, they are hit with USmash, or I miss. It's something I really have to play with before I know how to apply it.