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Lucas and the Tier List

Natch

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As you may or may not know, we have an official Tier List, courtesy of SBR, and I noticed Lucas was pretty low. I decided to look into that a little more, in a post I made. I'll copy pasta the relevant parts here.



I'll not go into detail about how I came across Lucas, but as soon as I did, I fell in love with the little guy. Being a former Pikachu main in Melee, I was used to a quick playstyle. Lucas isn't as quick as Pika, obviously, but he's fast enough for my tastes. Long story short, his playstyle just felt right.

I am disapointed with Lucas' placement in the tier list, but I can see why he's there. He's got the whole grab release thing(**** you Marth, **** you), and his matchups against the higher tiered characters isn't exactly steller. In fact, if weren't for his ATs and upsides, he'd be much lower than he is now, if that sounds possible. GW is a ***** for him to take on, what with his Bair and Bucket, and Marth's Fair and Uber-Godly-Broken-Dancing-Blade are no picnic either. Oh yah, and he has a hard time against MK, but who doesn't? (Admittedly better than most, given he has the greatest number of reliable moves to break the whorenado)

On the flipside, Lucas has good measures for spacing. There's PK Fire, Ftilt, Fair, PK Fire, and his Jab Combo. His lag is pretty low in general, barring a few moves-PK Love and Dsmash come to mind. His combo ability is good enough for me, what with Nairs and Dairs leading into so many options. Love nothing more than to go Nair-Jab Combo-PK Freeze. Freeze hits like, never, but it's a good pressure move and can give the opponent the impression that you're right in their face even if you're on the other side of FD. His jumps are just sex, and PKT2, while gimpable, is a very versitile recovery if you can aim it right. His tether increases his sweetspot range(and doesn't leave you "falling" if you miss, IIRC), and Zap Jump is just insane beyond words.

But while he has a lot of good moves(I mean a lot of good moves), the higher tiered guys also seem to have something better. Ftilt good for spacing? DK and SNAKE say hi. Think your Fair has some really good priority? Marth disagrees. You have a nice Jab combo, really? Ike's has super armor.

Really, the only thing unique to Lucas that he has over the rest of the cast are his diverse specials. You have spacing, controlled projectile/human missile, and absorb projectile that also *****slaps you into oblivion(at 120%+, but still. Nothing's more satisfying than absorbing a fully charged Aura Sphere from a Lucario at 150%, then KOing him into the next country.)

I personally think Lucas can go higher, but if I may be realistic here, my guess is he'll reach Mid tier, tops. Maybe bottom of high tier, if people learn how to abuse his projectiles really well.
 

ChaosTheoryX

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but as soon as I did, I fell in love with the little guy.
for one i think this is illegal in most states XD. Ya lucas is a blast to play as a character, and I personally take the "tier list" as a challenge. now whenever i beat somebody down with him they will feel the shame of getting beat by a low tier character, and also this will weed out all those fake lucas' who will see the list and cry and switch to mk so now we can get serious about making lucas the shiznit. yes he does have plenty of bad matchups, and doing good against those high tier characters is not a walk in the park, but if we start working hard we can get lucas to the spot he deserves on that list
 

YagamiLight

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You have a nice Jab combo, really? Ike's has super armor.
Ike's AAA combo having super armor was a rumor, to the best of my knowledge. I have yet to see anything like it in all my games as Ike. That said, it has ridiculously high priority for a jab (Which is probably why people think it has super armor), it deals 16% for the full combo, and it can actually kill. So it's still the better jab.

Jabs aside, I really like Lucas, and I'm sure that this temporary tier placement won't stop people from using him.
 

BassistLUCA

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In any case, I think we can all agree that Lucas is a giant improvement over Ness. I've attempted at using Ness in every smash game and his move set seems good but they're all a little awkward to execute. And Lucas replaces that awkwardness with awesomeness.
 

SlickSlicer

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In any case, I think we can all agree that Lucas is a giant improvement over Ness. I've attempted at using Ness in every smash game and his move set seems good but they're all a little awkward to execute. And Lucas replaces that awkwardness with awesomeness.
If it makes any sense, I like playing Ness better than playing Lucas, but I think Lucas is a lot better. It's just that I can't make use of his awesomeness, for some reason.
 

Natch

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Lucas is top tier for 'fun to play'.
**** straight. Love playing as him.

LOOK AT THE COLORS!

He can Zap you, Burn you, and Freeze you. Everybody should learn how to use Zap Jump and Magnet Pull with consistency. Pretty sure most everybody does B-sticking too, but we gotta up our Wavebouncing game too, really start using those SHWB'd PKFs.
 

ChaosTheoryX

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Pretty sure most everybody does B-sticking too.
Suprisingly not many lucas players are using b-stick as much as they used to when it was first discovered. I personally prefer b-sticking to c-sticking but some people dont feel the same way sadly
 

dawgbowl

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Lucas isn't exactly winning or placing well in tournaments which is probably why he didn't get a mid-ranking.
 

Tyr_03

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Lucas will go up in the tier rankings in the future. He actually does pretty well but very few people play him and even fewer have a clue what they're doing. He has a lot of unrealized potential. I predict he'll end up somewhere around the middle or upper end of mid tier in a few years depending on who ends up using him. Despite the grab release, Marth is not an unbeatable matchup and Lucas does pretty decently against a lot of the top tiers. In time he'll get where he deserves to be, above characters like Peach, Bowser and Sheik but below characters like Pit, Wolf and Wario.
 

Dxt XXII

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I'm gonna make Lucas a mid tier!

I'm about equal to all my friends who play wolf, sometimes mk, ect. We all respect low tiers.
 
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