Lucario for Brawl? i dont think so....

[Your Hero]

children are always picking it nup and unless everyone you know has abandoned theyre childhood, many people still do

my college gameclub plays mostly fighting games and halo 3 but when pokemon came out almost everyone attending had a copy and we had a contest to see who could beat the game first

its also become something of a tool to bridge the generation gap

Notice the fact that it's called a gaming club. No offense [this may be stereotype], but wouldn;t you guys buy a lot of games and share them and such. I'm really not surprised they play pokemon, but I'm absolutly sure that's not the only thing they play.

 

[Your Hero]

Edit: Sorry I meant to copy and paste it on my other post, but pressed submit by accident.

Midna and Zant are still new though.

So is Rosalina. You're point?

 

[Rakath]

Okay, let's do this one bit at a time: Counting Pokemon Trainer as three reps is silly, one spot on the select page = one rep. Zamus isn't her own Rep, nor is PT 3 reps.

Pokemon, as a high selling series, should have 4-5 reps, easy. We have Trainer and Pikachu. Puffy and Mewtwo are pretty safe returns. That gets us 4 reps. Now, I'd push for second and third gen playable reps, but there aren't that many options. Also, games pull from earliest and latest, not out of the middle. The only really likely exception would be a return of Shiek, who is not from earliest or latest Zelda, but is from one of the more loved Zelda games.

Now, Lucario is known, easy to write up, and doesn't pull an unbalanced rep (like putting in Infernape without Turtwig and a Piplup form as playable). Now, I'm sure not everyone wants or even likes Lucario, but he's got a fair shot now that Deoxys and Gardevoir (the other good contenders) are confirmed in Pokeballs.

 

[IkexMarth]

This is getting annoying and I will tell you why Lucaeio should get in.

Popularity

Lucario starred in his own movie where over 1million people saw it. Also Munchlax and Deoxys are pokeballs.

Moveset

Out of all of the pokemon, Lucario can use aura as a weapon and can learn many other moves. He is also steel/fighting.

 

[Boofer]

I think the fact that pokemon trainer is 3 pokemon in one rep, means that Sakurai may be trying to get a good amount of playable pokemon in the game without sacrificing other deserving characters.

I don't know, I think Lucario is definitely going to be in the game, and I'd say that he has a greater chance of being a playable than a pokeball. I think such a popular pokemon would have already been revealed either on the dojo (deoxys) or at E 4 all. And I know the developers are aware that he is a wanted character. I would bet my life that if pokemon got another newcomer, it would be Lucario.

 

[Your Hero]

Come up with something new. I've seen all the reasons for why lucario should be in on my other thread. Those are way overused.

Popularity: So? Groudon, Gardevoir, Latios and Latias were popular too and they are pokeballs. The same can (and should) happen to lucario.

Starred in his own movie: Good for you. Let's add Jackie Chan, Spongebob and Spiderman.

Moveset: Seriously, this is a stupid reason. Any fighting type pokemon can do the same things.

Steel/fighting: What does this matter? he can be grass/thunder, fire/water, dark/flying for all I care.

 

[IkexMarth]

Come up with something new. I've seen all the reasons for why lucario should be in on my other thread. Those are way overused.

Popularity: So? Groudon, Gardevoir, Latios and Latias were popular too and they are pokeballs. The same can (and should) happen to lucario.

Starred in his own movie: Good for you. Let's add Jackie Chan, Spongebob and Spiderman.

Moveset: Seriously, this is a stupid reason. Any fighting type pokemon can do the same things.

Steel/fighting: What does this matter? he can be grass/thunder, fire/water, dark/flying for all I care.

1) Most popular 4th gen

2) Sorry no TV show people. It is also the most popular pokemon movie.

3) Can they use aura?

4)We need fighting pokemon because ssb is a fighting game.

 

[Boofer]

Come up with something new. I've seen all the reasons for why lucario should be in on my other thread. Those are way overused.

They're overused because they make sense and they are valid reasons. What are your reasons besides the fact that you don't like him?

Popularity: So? Groudon, Gardevoir, Latios and Latias were popular too and they are pokeballs. The same can (and should) happen to lucario.

The same can be said, but I'm pretty sure Lucario was much more popular than the others.

Starred in his own movie: Good for you. Let's add Jackie Chan, Spongebob and Spiderman.

Joke if you want, but Sakurai acknowledges popularity in the anime. I'd say the movie thing is a valid argument. It seems you're have a difficult time removing your bias from your argument.

 

[Your Hero]

1) Yea and the ones I stated were most popular 3rd gen and they werent playable

2) There are pokemon tv shows.

3) No, but Mewtwo can, who was already in melee and is probably coming back. I'm sorry that was a pretty bad comeback (your's I mean) :\.

4) Then how did Pikachu, charizard, ivysaur and squirtle make it?

 

[IkexMarth]

WATCH THE MOVIE! Obviously you haven't watched it or research Lucario's popularity. So your one of those people who haven't seen the things the character has done. Once you get it through your head or/and Lucario is confirmed,i'll be back.
*walks away from topic*

 

[Your Hero]

"They're overused because they make sense and they are valid reasons. What are your reasons besides the fact that you don't like him?"

-Overpopulated -> he will become just as popular as blaziken in a short while. Basically what i'm saying is that he will become unpopular as fast as he became popular,

-Better characters that deserve the spot -> I'm sure there are much more valid games that deserve more recognition, rather than using it up on a game thats already overrepresented.

-Sakurai likes old over new -> All the pokemon he has as PC's are from the first generation (minus pichu, but he was a clone of Pikachu). And Although PT represents fire red and leaf green, the pokemon he uses are originally first gen, just w/ a makeover and a new attack.

Those are the only ones I can think up atm.

Also referring to the "aura", Here's some research on it

"Many people mistook Lucario for a legendary Pokémon before Diamond and Pearl were released, because of its mysterious role in the movie Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew and because it can talk using telepathic powers, use a powerful bomb attack called Aura Sphere (which can be learned by other Legendary Pokémon like Giratina, Mew, and Mewtwo ), and it has a similar body structure to the legendary Pokémon Mewtwo."
-Wikipedia.com

This shows that mewtwo can use the same aura magic as lucario.

 

[Magmar's Wrath]

How come people act like Blaziken no longer has any chance? He's the mascot for 3rd generation! Lucario is the 4th generation mascot.

But I digress. Lucario is special in more ways than one:

1.) He has a 'blind' fighter sense to him, which is always an admirable trait.
2.) He has projectiles attacks of his own as well. (Aqua Sphere)
3.) It's not just the animé, Lucario is special in the game. You are given a special egg that hatches Riolu, so he's a unique-given Pokémon. He also is very, very reliable and multitalented (can learn different moves).
4.) He's become incredibly popular without being a starter Pokémon, a Pikachu-alike, or a legendary.
5.) Steel/Fighting is perfect for a fighting game. Heavy hitting, damage taking. He's a tank, something that no current Pokémon PC is, they're all lightweights.
6.) This game IS about popular characters, and Lucario is popular.

And I think I've made my point(s). I like to stop at six.

 

[Rakath]

How does PT rep FR/LG instead of R/G?

Triple Finish uses Fire Blast instead of Blast Burn.
Rock Smash is a second gen move that Charizard could learn second gen, similar standing with Waterfall.
His design has not changed at all save being IN COLOR. And his art from the first games is exactly how his FRLG art is. Also Fourth Gen has done a bit better in popularity and sales than Third Gen did, but I'd have to doublecheck to be sure.

Favoring old games is an innacurate way to state it. Sakurai is pulling from classic and latest. Ike, Zelda cast, Mario's FLUDD, Wario's outfit are all latest. Classic pulls are naturally Kirby cast (well, they have timeless appearances), Sonic and Snake, if Marth comes back for the same reason.

Pokemon is a high selling, it getting 4-5 reps is easy. You're thinking his spot could go to a more deserving character and Pokemon being 'overpopulated' is stupid. Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario are the easy big showings. Pokemon went from 2 to 4 reps between last two games, getting two new at the cost of Pichu is totally likely.

Anymore reasons why you think Lucario shouldn't get in that I can kill?

 

[Your Hero]

That's how PT represents firered/leafgreen
It was most likely more popular because it was for the ds. I'm pretty sure when ruby and saphire came out, it was more popular than the gameboy colour version.

It may be the case that he chooses old/retro and latest characters, but when it omes to pokemon, he usually represents them through the pokeball.
Mario's FLUDD is not latest. The silver luma is. Wario is new to brawl.

There are a lot of other games that are high selling. When I stated that the spot should be given to another rep, I meant of a different game, not a different pokemon.


I must admit, that was hard to think up lol..

 

[Black/Light]

You made a whole thread to say you don't want Lucario in? Hahaha!

You should've just posted in the Lucario thread:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=78162

Yayz! Lets go over to the Lucario thread and get gigaton bashed by fans and fanboys!

Theres a reason I never posted in the official Geno thread about how I think he aint getting in.

As for Lucario. . .I fully support him. . .as a pokeball.

 

[Rakath]

That isn't proof, his design has no changes. He, Green, and Blue had the same art in one little included art piece from the old R/G inserts. And when it comes to Pokemon Melee only used from the first two series. And, shocking, they used playable reps from the first two series. How many series were out at the time? TWO. Lack of proof here. (Thank you Pichu, you've finally been helpful to me...)

FLUDD was the latest when announced, since Galaxy wasn't out yet. Galaxy moves could of been used to pull another Roy, but you can only do that trick so often. Wario could have been the old Plumber outfit Wario (like how he appears in Olympics) but he's in the Warioware gear, with his Warioware logo, and not a Mushroom logo Mario character.

You've got some fairly valid points, took me some research to pull thse off.

 

[error_alt_delete]

How does PT rep FR/LG instead of R/G?

Triple Finish uses Fire Blast instead of Blast Burn.
Rock Smash is a second gen move that Charizard could learn second gen, similar standing with Waterfall.
His design has not changed at all save being IN COLOR. And his art from the first games is exactly how his FRLG art is. Also Fourth Gen has done a bit better in popularity and sales than Third Gen did, but I'd have to doublecheck to be sure.

Favoring old games is an innacurate way to state it. Sakurai is pulling from classic and latest. Ike, Zelda cast, Mario's FLUDD, Wario's outfit are all latest. Classic pulls are naturally Kirby cast (well, they have timeless appearances), Sonic and Snake, if Marth comes back for the same reason.

Pokemon is a high selling, it getting 4-5 reps is easy. You're thinking his spot could go to a more deserving character and Pokemon being 'overpopulated' is stupid. Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario are the easy big showings. Pokemon went from 2 to 4 reps between last two games, getting two new at the cost of Pichu is totally likely.

Anymore reasons why you think Lucario shouldn't get in that I can kill?

sorry my pokemon nerdyness kicked in, waterfall is a first gen move learned only by seaking at lvl...46 I think.

and yes, with pichu out, and adding lucario and PT, we would have 5 pokemon reps, that sounds very reasonable to me.

 

[Black/Light]

Humm, I have no idle what you all are talking about (comp too screwy to back track this thread) but I really don't see how Pokemon's fame has anything to do with this one pokemon getting in.

We have, confirmed, 4 playable pokemon with another leaked (Jpuff) and the villian (Mewtwo) being very likely to come back. Don't know or care what you call a character. I simply know Red is 3 playable pokemon. Anyone who complains about 6 playable pokemon in smash should pick up pokemon rev and be happy theres a game made on the Wii to fight pokemon.

Now, as I said before, I have no idea how Pokemon's fame has anything to do with Lucario at this point. If pokemon happens to get another playable pokemon by no means does that mean Lucario will be that pokemon.

Sorry if your debate is different than what Im refering to. . . can't surf like reg so Im going by this one page.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Lucario's popularity is extremely stretched by Lucario fans, as well as the popularity of his movie. Seeing as how Manaphy and Darkrai's movies did better than Lucario's, they deserve to be playable characters over him. -_-;

 

[Boofer]

Now, as I said before, I have no idea how Pokemon's fame has anything to do with Lucario at this point. If pokemon happens to get another playable pokemon by no means does that mean Lucario will be that pokemon.
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Actually, fame does have something to do with it. Umm...Pikachu, Jiggs, Mewtwo. All three are very popular, mostly because of the anime. Lucario is obviously the most likely new pokemon PC.

 

[DeuceBlade]

This guys is messing with the wrong fan base.

 

[Black/Light]

Actually, fame does have something to do with it. Umm...Pikachu, Jiggs, Mewtwo. All three are very popular, mostly because of the anime. Lucario is obviously the most likely new pokemon PC.

1. Talking about fame as a series. We got 6 playable pokemon if Mew2 comes back. . . how many more does one series need?

2. By no means is Lucario in the ranks or roles of those pokemon you listed.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Why is this thread even open?

EDIT:

And Black/Light, get over yourself. It's reeeaaally sad.

 

[Your Hero]

That isn't proof, his design has no changes. He, Green, and Blue had the same art in one little included art piece from the old R/G inserts. And when it comes to Pokemon Melee only used from the first two series. And, shocking, they used playable reps from the first two series. How many series were out at the time? TWO. Lack of proof here. (Thank you Pichu, you've finally been helpful to me...)

FLUDD was the latest when announced, since Galaxy wasn't out yet. Galaxy moves could of been used to pull another Roy, but you can only do that trick so often. Wario could have been the old Plumber outfit Wario (like how he appears in Olympics) but he's in the Warioware gear, with his Warioware logo, and not a Mushroom logo Mario character.

You've got some fairly valid points, took me some research to pull thse off.

I didn't mean that the whole character PT is from FR/LG, I meant the design. Also pichu was a clone. If Lucario joins, he will be a clone of Mewtwo (what with all this aura crud you're talking about - no offense). With a few moves of his own, like luigi.

I'm pretty sure FLUDD isn't the latest Mario item/helper out there. I've had Super Mario Sunshine since the first day I got my gamecube (like what 7 years ago? It came with the gamecube). There have been other helpers in the mario series. The only one I can think about atm is Tippi though, even though it was paper mario.
Wario in brawl is actually representing Warioware, he isn't another mario rep. His outfit and his stage and his song (Ashley's song, sorry) all back me up on that. It wouldn't make sense for him to be in a plumber oufit.. (Unless if he was in one in the ds version, I've never played it).

I'm glad that I'm some competition. I never research when debating excpet for on the DOJO site to back me up.

Actually, fame does have something to do with it. Umm...Pikachu, Jiggs, Mewtwo. All three are very popular, mostly because of the anime. Lucario is obviously the most likely new pokemon PC.

They're old pokemon. People who have played pokemon from the beginning know them. Also now that pokemon is developping, some people aren't as much fanatics of it as they used to be, compared to the fact that there are so many pokemon it's not even funny. I personally only remember the main pokemon, which include pikachu, jiggly puff and Mewtwo (as well as snorlax and farfetch'd).

 

[Youko]

A whole new thread about Lucario NOT in Brawl when there's already a Lucario thread?

I don't think so.