Losing to a basic

[vypex]

Have you ever been playing a series against very skilled players, than suddenly go and face someone basic that you end up losing.

welp it happened to me had an awesome couple of opponents last night, very good matches almost all made it close to the 5 minutes, than afterwards decided to have couple more matches before bed, enter basic mac, me being used to a few skilled macs i start doing my thing and end up over thinking it and get his with some of the most basic attacks even macs charge up punch nails me at 64% at full charge KO's me, end up racking up the damage on him juggling him and what not and get hit by his jab combo than a forward B that i rolled back, right into it, than mac gets his KO punch charged up and i'm rolling back than forward, while he was aiming at my previous position i made the mistake of rolling back into right where he was and got KO'd, went to sleep right after that, anyone else have any stories of getting flat out beat by someone you shouldn't have, atleast without putting up a really good fight of it

 

[SwoodGrommet]

A basic? Wherefore base? That's rather rude
Yes, sometimes I find people that use techniques that could be called basic, I suppose. It does catch me off guard at first, but it shouldn't really take long to adjust. I guess this kind of links in with the whole "Players that spam projectiles" debate.

 

[vypex]

basic as a basic knowledge of the game, no real grasp on the higher level of play, not a beginner but not advanced either
didn't mean to offend lol

 

[Roko Jono]

We don't need new synonyms for the word "noob"

Or the nicer term: less skilled player

 

[Volt@ge]

I dunno. I run into people like that a lot, projectile spammers, Shulks that do nothing but Backslash and Vision. People with clearly very little understanding, at least of the character that they happen to be playing. Hell, I lose to the latter more than I care to admit, but every time I do, as frustrating as it can be, I just have to sit down and think: "I just lost to somebody doing nothing but the same two things all game". The next game perhaps I go for more grabs expecting the counter spam, or space myself accordingly as to not get nailed by the same special over and over again.

Then I face a different opponent doing the same thing and for some reason have to adapt all over again, but I'm a relatively inexperienced player so, with time.

 

[raymundoTheGod]

This is me playing against my friend all of the same against his Dins Fire spam. I get so mad when I lose, but then its my fault because I couldnt beat two moves.

 

[Ryuji]

Lost yesterday to a terrible Megaman player because of lag. All the button inputs were delayed; they were being registered around a second later. Then again, I was using Shulk, who I'm still learning to play. If I was using my mains I would definitely have been more irritated.

 

[TheBlossomingLily]

I did once almost lost to a "basic" player due to myself making predictions of things that didn't really happen.

Sometimes I walked up and started charging Front Smash backwards predicting a roll behind me but instead he'd roll all the way to the other side of the stage or use Thunderjolt. Other times I expected a short-hop aerial or a shield while approaching me but end up eating a Dash Attack instead.
Took an unusually long while to adjust to this for some reason before barely winning due to punishing his eventual overuse of Thunder.

 

[DatSmasher]

When i lose to those poeple it's usually because of things like my up-b not getting through the lag

 

[KingTeo]

I used to play a lot of fighting games. I was always sort of a "Master of basics". I never used to go through the effort of learning any sort of advanced technique but I would usually win just because I had good reflexes and a good intuition given how much experience I have in the game.

Just because you lose to someone who seems pretty basic doesn't mean that they are. They might just be reading you so hard that they look like this while sitting on the bus or the couch, looking at their screen.

Spoiler

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[link2702]

I've had this happen a few times...

But Usually what happens is I'll get a few matches in against one noob player, then I'lll go and pick some random character for gits and shiggles, thinking i'll have another match against said player, only to find out they left and another person takes their place, who is either slightly better(occasionally way better) or is using a character that the one I just picked can't really handle well. or i'll occasionally do something insanely stupid because I don't use the character all that often.


the most annoying part is the opponent usually leaves after one match, before I have time to switch to my main and walk all over em. it is satisfying though when they do stay though, the next match I'll go someone like c.falcon and two stock em without taking damage or only taking below 30% damage.

 

[Raijinken]

Happens to me fairly often, and it's almost always because the internet decides to kick on some input lag or pseudopause every three frames.

Kinda makes online frustrating, knowing you would most likely be able to block and attack properly if it weren't for the internet connection that your opponent has (which I guess is somewhat fortunate for me, since I'm at a university with typically very reliable and quick internet, and on a sufficiently isolated part of campus to not often have to worry about wireless interference).

 

[VKatana]

Speaking as a a new player, I've been having a lot of experiences in this game which are turning me away from Smash Bros altogether. The shortest way I can describe my gripes would be that the game is too defensive and the circle pad is absolute ****, leaving me SD'ing more often than I ought to. The former of that statement is probably the most infuriating thing, and the fact that the game seems to reward spam, and camping is a huge problem online as well. It makes me incredibly angry to lose to players who simply camp/spam, and I find it downright disgusting how defensive the game is so far. Again, I am a new player but feeling maybe its time I get into Melee instead of this version.

 

[Volt@ge]

I think as others have said, rolls are perhaps a bit too powerful on some characters. Coupled with the unfortunate fact that FD stages promote camping, I can see why you'd feel that way; I don't think it's completely unfounded.

Maybe if we could get the addition of platform stages in For Glory, it'd alleviate the "Hi I'm Link, I'm going to sit at the opposite end of the stage and spam fully charged arrows at you whilst you try to recover" syndrome that we somewhat have right now.

The circle pad I can understand, maybe I'm not experiencing difficulty with it because I was never really a technical player. Likewise, maybe when I become more technically skilled I will start to have problems with it, I dunno. I've just grown accustomed to it.

 

[VKatana]

I think as others have said, rolls are perhaps a bit too powerful on some characters. Coupled with the unfortunate fact that FD stages promote camping, I can see why you'd feel that way; I don't think it's completely unfounded.

Maybe if we could get the addition of platform stages in For Glory, it'd alleviate the "Hi I'm Link, I'm going to sit at the opposite end of the stage and spam fully charged arrows at you whilst you try to recover" syndrome that we somewhat have right now.

The thing is, I'd assume that the entire player base as a whole (minus the pros) who go online and see people using these techniques or themselves use these techniques like just ruining re-approaches, spamming, camping, over defensiveness etc, if they realize that using these techniques leads to quick and bull**** victories as it does online, then why would they stop doing it down the line?

 

[SwoodGrommet]

I've had Kirbys and Ikes roll through entire attack animations unscathed

 

[Starman15]

I can't say how many "basic" Bowsers have won in For Glory games. When I get into 4 player games, 2 times out of 3 there's a Bowser who spams Bowser Bomb every time they get launched. Also, last night I was playing against a Charizard who just spammed Flare Blitz and won like, 4 matches (There was a BB spamming Bowser too in the same game ). Heavier characters are too easy to spam with :/

 

[Volt@ge]

The thing is, I'd assume that the entire player base as a whole (minus the pros) who go online and see people using these techniques or themselves use these techniques like just ruining re-approaches, spamming, camping, over defensiveness etc, if they realize that using these techniques leads to quick and bull**** victories as it does online, then why would they stop doing it down the line?

They wouldn't necessarily. However if we stopped playing exclusively on FD oriented stages with no platforms and no real Y axis, we could more easily deal with people/characters who like to sit at a distance and spam/camp projectiles. Obviously it wouldn't stop things like roll spamming, but that's easy enough to deal with for most characters once you learn that they do nothing but roll.

 

[VKatana]

I can't say how many "basic" Bowsers have won in For Glory games. When I get into 4 player games, 2 times out of 3 there's a Bowser who spams Bowser Bomb every time they get launched. Also, last night I was playing against a Charizard who just spammed Flare Blitz and won like, 4 matches (There was a BB spamming Bowser too in the same game ). Heavier characters are too easy to spam with :/

Sakurai when making Bowser: "You know what this game needs? A completely unbalanced character! Yeah yeah we can make him fast, agile, powerful, and what if he kills earlier, dies later, and has a set of viably spammable moves?"

 

[Starman15]

Sakurai when making Bowser: "You know what this game needs? A completely unbalanced character! Yeah yeah we can make him fast, agile, powerful, and what if he kills earlier, dies later, and has a set of viably spammable moves?"

I respect Sakurai a lot, but what you said really hits home

 

[LarsINTJ]

It's just like in competitive Pokemon, noobs cause much lethal over-prediction.