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Logical Reasoning: The Number of Characters per Series

ruel

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In this thread I will list the most likely range of characters for each series (the bracketed number is what I think it actually will be) and then the reasoning behind it.

SERIES:

Mario (+Wario and Yoshi): 6-7 (7)
Mario, Peach, Bowser, Wario, and Yoshi are already confirmed and Luigi is almost for sure in the game. That is six characters. There are very few other Mario characters important enough to make it in. Some possibilities include Bowser Jr, Daisy, or Waluigi, but I don't see more than one of them getting in.

Zelda: 4-5 (4)
Link and Zelda are already confirmed. Ganondorf is very likely in and Sheik has a chance as well. Zelda should not get as many reps than Mario so there can be a max of 5 reps, but I don't think there are enough important characters. There could be five reps, but 4 is more likely considering only important characters will likely get in.

Pokemon: 4-6 (5)
Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer are confirmed and Jigglypuff has a high likelyhood of being in. I don't think that Pokemon should get more reps than Mario which gives them a max of about 6 (also anymore and they would be close to a quarter of the characters (asssuming there is about 40). There were four reps in the last game so they probably won't have less than four reps. Also, Sakurai seems to favot the first generation so I doubt he will include a rep from each generation just to be "fair".

DK: 2 (2)
Diddy and Donkey are confirmed and the only other plausible rep is K. Rool, but in my opinion he has more chance in being an assist trophy.

Mother (Earthbound): 1-2 (1)
Although not well known in North America, the seires is very popular in Japan. We have seen that there will be at least one Mother rep (because of the icon), but there is still a slight chance fror a second rep because of the recent release of Mother 3 because Sakurai may want to include a more recent Mother character.

Metroid: 1-2 (1)
Samus/Zero Suit Samus is confirmed. Sakurai said he wants to give series like Metroid more rep, but I think he has already done that by adding the transformation to Zero Suit Samus. There is still a chance for another Metroid character, but I think that Samus will be the only rep.

Star Fox: 2-3 (2)
Fox is already confirmed and I doubt there will be less reps than in Melee. There are a fair number of character choices, but I think two reps is the most likely (Sakurai seemed to like the suggestion of Krystal, who would likely be the second rep).

F-Zero: 1-2 (1)
Captain Falcon will most likey be in the game and I don't think another character from the series will get in because most of them are not very important to the storyline.

Kirby: 2-3 (2)
Metaknight and Kirby are already confirmed. King Dededed has fairly good chances of getting in, but I think he will end up being a boss.

Fire Emblem: 2-3 (3)
Ike is already confirmed and Marth is very likely to be in because he appeared in the first FE game and is an important character. There were two FE characters in Melee so there is a good chance for three in Brawl.

Retro: 2-4 (3)
Pit is already confirmed and it is very likely that two out of G&W, Ice Climbers, or another retro character will be in.

Other: 2-3 (3)
An Animal Crossing rep is very likely because of the icon. There are also other popular series that may have reps such as Pikmin or Custom Robo. I think there will likely be 3 'other' reps.

3rd Party: 2-3 (3)
Sakurai said in his journal that there will be tentatively 1-2 more 3rd party reps besides Snake so that's why I think there will be 2 or 3 reps.

TOTAL: 31-45 characters, but I think there will be 37 characters.

If you see any problems in my logic please tell me and give me a reason why and don't just say I fail.
 

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Now is NOT a good time to say that Ridley doesn't have a chance in Brawl...basically what you said.
 

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This thread fails because you have Earthbound listed as having 1-2 characters yet you say F-Zero will only have Falcon. F-Zero is easily a much bigger franchise than earthbound and they have tons of possible characters like black shadow deathborne and Pico for possible villains or jody summer for a possible female character.
 

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Now is NOT a good time to say that Ridley doesn't have a chance in Brawl...basically what you said.
I think he has a chance, but because of the bosses in single player and because of what I said in my post his chances aren't as high as I with they were. :(
 

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Wario and Yoshi are not Mario Series due to having their own series.

In addition, the Wario seen is clearly from WarioWare, in addition to having his own icon.
 

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Wario and Yoshi are not Mario Series due to having their own series.

In addition, the Wario seen is clearly from WarioWare, in addition to having his own icon.
It doesn't really matter... they are spin-offs of Mario and I put them in his section, but it doesn't change the post in any way.
 

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You aren't Sakurai.

And don't try to think "He'd want this", because Sakurai has logic all his own.

Sakurai obviously has his own logic... I'm merely stating my opinions which I formed logically. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with them.
 

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Indeed, Stop Polluting Threads Luke, remember when Qui Gon says, use the Force, THINK? well... do it.

Ridley has a chance please look at the first post of the Ridley thread, it's here on the first page.
 

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You **** on innocent squirrels. I hate you!

I'd say Metroid has a good chance of a second rep. As well, don' base your entire theory on icons. They could have a AC icon but only include items, AT's, and a stage.
 

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You sure have a wide range for total.

31-44? I could of told you that.
I'm sure you could, but I wanted to put reasoning behind it. And I also wanted to disprove people that say there will be 50 or more characters.
 

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I'm sure you could, but I wanted to put reasoning behind it. And I also wanted to disprove people that say there will be 50 or more characters.
People are delusional...Sakurai himself said they wouldn't add as many characters to Brawl as they did to Melee...

32-34 is most likely the final tally
 

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People are delusional...Sakurai himself said they wouldn't add as many characters to Brawl as they did to Melee...

32-34 is most likely the final tally

and in my post it says that there will be between 31 and 44. I personally think about 37.
 

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I think he has a chance, but because of the bosses in single player and because of what I said in my post his chances aren't as high as I with they were. :(
You said that StarFox should have more reps than Metroid? AND doubted the almighty Ridley?

You just set this thread on autofail.
 

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Here're my thoughts:

Mario (5-7, Not Including Yoshi or Wario) -> 6
Mario is the biggest franchise, so of course his series will have the widest selection! SSBM had 5, so of course they'll up the anti this time.

Donkey Kong (2-3) -> 3
I think K. Rool is unlockable. Why? Well, why would he reveal Diddy so early on if Diddy was a starter? Similarly, why would there be two starter characters from the DK franchise, and then no unlockables? I could be wrong here...but that's my logic.

Pokemon(4-6) -> 5
Again, a popular, growing franchise. It will have TONS of reps. Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer are confirmed. Mewtwo will, of course, be returning. There will probably be another brand new newcomer to represent Pokemon's recent years. (Lucario, Gardevoir, Plusle and Minun, etc.). Then of course there's Jigglypuff, Meowth, and Ditto who are pretty popular too. I just hope Sakurai stops at five. (And PT counts as one character, IMO)

Zelda (4-5) -> 5
LoZ had 5 characters in Melee. It wouldn't make sense to have any less, though I could see that happening anyways since Sakurai hardly makes sense at times.

Kirby (3-4) -> 3
Kirby and Meta Knight are confirmed. King Dedede was the highest requested character on the polls, so it would surprise me if he DIDN'T appear. Goey, and Lolo and Lala are also possible. It wouldn't surprise me much if Sakurai went beyond Dedede, since he did say he wants to see his characters more before he quits or something like that. His modesty might be what's holding him back, though...

Starfox (3-4) -> 4
Okay, we have Fox, and Krystal is a must. Falco was the most requested Starfox character on the Melee polls, so I think he'll also return too. And what's a popular series without it's villain?!

Metroid (2) -> 2
Ridley and Samus...

Earthbound (1) -> 1
I think Earthbound will have at least one representative, with the rest of the main characters being ATs.

F-Zero (1) -> 1
Captain Falcon

3rd Party (2-3) -> 3
Interview...

Retro (1-3) -> 2
There was only one character to represent the NES days in Melee: Ice Climbers. Being a sequel, Brawl might step it up a bit and go for two, or maybe three! But probably two...

Warioware (1) -> 1
Wario

Yoshi (1-2) -> 1
I know what you're thinking: 2???? WTF!!!? Heehee, Yoshi's been a single rep all his life, and with the advent of titles suh as Yoshi's Island DS, and Yoshi Touch and Go!, I think it's about time Yoshi gets more representation, whether it be through the Babies, or through a Villain.

Fire Emblem (2-4) -> 3
Fire Emblem is growing like a weed. Lets see, there were two Fire Emblem characters in Melee, back when the series was only known in Japan. I think now that it's wordwide, it deserves a few more character spots.

WTF OMG!! HIM?? (1) -> 1
It never fails. Sakurai will pull something out of his *** like he did with Mr. G&W and surprise the whole Smash community. I'm personally pressing for Mii, but you never know with suggestions like Laughing Dog, and Paperboy being tossed around.

Other Franchises (Pikmin, etc.) -> 3
Captain Olimar's a shoe in. Sukapon, an Animal Crossing representative, a Golden Sun representative, or even Jill from Drill Dozer could take the other spots.


44 characters. I'm either being REALLY optimistic about the character roster, or perhaps the stupidity of the internet has rubbed off on me a bit. I'm not too sure, but that's what the total came out to be, so I'm not arguing.
 

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You said that StarFox should have more reps than Metroid? AND doubted the almighty Ridley?

You just set this thread on autofail.
I actually like Metroid more than Star Fox and I want Ridley in the game!

If you read my post more carefully you would see that I said 1-2 for Metroid which COULD include Ridley (but I did say I think 1 is more likely than 2). Besides, there are very few reps possible for metroid. As for Starfox, I said there will most likely be 2 (same as Melee).
 
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