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Lets Nerf Ganondorf

Fly_Amanita

Master of Caribou
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Indeed, we should do everything in our power to make Ganon worse. I'm upset that I don't JV 4 stock every Ganon I play.
 

Levitas

the moon
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So you want another ban present so that they can completely take out any stages that ganon stands a chance in? You do realize that adding pirate ship and another ban means that the set will go NO different if they know Pirate ship is your CP, right?
 

Wobby

Smash Apprentice
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Jul 12, 2008
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Also taking away the Ganoncide for the win really nerfs him. I beat a top 5 player in my state who uses MetaKnight with Ganondorf, and it was due to DAir spike him out of tornado followed by a ganoncide for the win.
 

The Real Inferno

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I think with a stage list that small, two bans is too many, as you'll end up with practically nothing to give yourself an advantage for your character on (which, admittedly, is the -point- of that ruleset). Even if Delphino is your counterpick, you need -3- counterpick stages to be guarenteed to get to pick one since each player gets to ban two stages. As a Ganon you'll likely be banning Frigate Orpheon every match to avoid the lipless edge. Delphino will get banned against you every set as well. This leaves us with 9 stages to play on, and this is only considering each person uses one of their bans. In actuallity we only have 8 stages for the second game as this ruleset incorporates Dave's Stupid Rule (technically we -could- pick the first stage again if we lost on it, but why would we want to?).

Hypothetically let us assume we are in the stage striking process and Lylat is neutral and we are Ganon vs. Meta Knight (lol).
1.We ban Lylat Cruise.
2. Arbitarily bans the only stage he can't fly under (Yoshi's Island)
3. We ban Battlefield (Platforms that close to the ground can set us up for traps against Meta)
4. Meta bans Smashville
5. We play on FD.

I don't know about you but I highly dislike the odds of playing against Meta on FD. Let us also assume that since we both know each other's character and have banned stages, that the banned stages by Meta are: Delphino, and Castle Siege. Our bans are Frigate Orpheon and Lylat Cruise (at least, that's what I would pick). What stage would we pick as counterpick? This is really hard as all the remaining Counterpick stages are Meta ****** grounds. The only one that doesn't seem to be extremely in his favor here is Brinstar, which can actually save him from our spike with lava.

All that said, it's just a hypothetical situation and I doubt Unbreon went out of his way to hate on Ganon and love MK considering he mains Ike. Also, Wobby, Ganoncide doesn't auto lose unless you did it on your last stock. If you are a stock up you still win by Unbreon's ruleset. Suicide moves only make you auto-lose if you are both on the last stock and you would go to Sudden Death.
 

Wobby

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Well I am sure he is not trying to hate on Ganon, but I agree with you that this leaves Ganondorf with very little to choose from, in all honesty, I would probably pick Smashville as my counter pick since it is small and not much for platforms. In all honesty the new rules will pretty much make MK God Tier.
 

The Real Inferno

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Well, it's my belief the original ruleset was put forth in a manner that allowed stages in for the sole purpose of being picked against MK (this was actually admitted by some SBR members as the reasoning behind Yoshi's Island Pipes). The odd reasoning here is, if the character is -not- horrifically broken, then why do we need to include special consideration just for him in the selection of playable stages? There is a problem there as no stages were picked to purposefully counter any other character. I am however under the impression that the SBR has begun revising the old rule list. Though I do not expect it to be nearly anywhere as conservative as Unbreons, I would recommend preparing yourself for the loss of some oddball stages just the same. Pirate Ship is probably up on the chopping block.
 

:034:

Smash Hero
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Suck it up and l2p on neutrals.

Best stage list so far, it's very alike to the one we've been using in the Netherlands.
 

Shadow Nataku

Smash Ace
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An auto-win rule against sudden death suicide KO's also strikes me as silly as it has absolutely no allowance for one scenario. Out of any Ganondorf player can ANYONE here honestly say they've never accidentally Ganoncided someone silly enough to be near while using a >+B for recovery or to get rid of RCO lag at a ledge? Heck I don't even think it needs to be in that scenario, a simple wrong button press near an edge would be enough.

I realize however these are just the unofficial opinions of a single conservative member so all complaining would be witheld till any official SB list.

Still the Brawl metagame doesn't do itself any favours by promoting the killing off two thirds of the cast and you're looking at further stagnation of the game. It may be misreading that list but as far I can see it wouldn't even allow counterpicking anymore. I'd just jump to King of Fighters, Melty Blood Act Cadenza, Capcom vs SNK 2 etc. if I really wanted real competitiveness. Or Starcraft if you really wanted to be taken seriously.
 

Wobby

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It is way to small, most tournaments I go to, it is always the same stages, but at least with CPs, there is a chance for variety, and it makes players have to learn different strategies on different stages.
 
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