Toe
Smash Apprentice
Am I supposed to be L Canceling all of Marth's aerials?
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L Canceling?
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Sempai
Smash Ace
for all characters, there is never a reason not to lcancel an aerial, it cuts your landling lag time in half.
burntfish44
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As people say, definitely.
First work on the timing - just jump around and throw out arials in training mode and get the hang of it, its 7(i believe) frames before you hit the ground if that helps
Then make the effort to start using it in games (so it becomes habit)
Then once it becomes habit you can start learning and using the applications (for example fair to l cancel to fsmash, which you wouldn't be able to do w/o the LC
First work on the timing - just jump around and throw out arials in training mode and get the hang of it, its 7(i believe) frames before you hit the ground if that helps
Then make the effort to start using it in games (so it becomes habit)
Then once it becomes habit you can start learning and using the applications (for example fair to l cancel to fsmash, which you wouldn't be able to do w/o the LC
The problem I have with l cancelling with Marth is that I can't tell if I'm actually doing it or not. When I SHFFL with Marth, he can do an aerial and actually not have to l cancel (I can't think of the name of this, I've googled and it and found it before) so at times I'm never sure if I'm actually doing it myself. When I do full hops and an aerial, I struggle to l cancel that, usually ending up in my shield for a split second which means I'm doing it too late I believe.
Should I practice l cancelling on another character in order to make sure I'm doing it correctly or stick with Marth and do full hops to learn it? I know how important is it get it down and don't want to be stuck in the habit of not doing it just because Marth has a lot less lag
Should I practice l cancelling on another character in order to make sure I'm doing it correctly or stick with Marth and do full hops to learn it? I know how important is it get it down and don't want to be stuck in the habit of not doing it just because Marth has a lot less lag
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Thor
Smash Champion
Try just doing an aerial later in your shorthop - if you do an aerial past the peak of your shorthop (which is also more strategic in many situations), then you will be able to tell if you are hitting your l-cancel or not.kev1n said:
burntfish44
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I know what you mean, eventually it becomes a feel thing and you know when you miss them...
And i also had PM to learn on (PM gives an ice white flash that indicats you l-cancelled correctly)
Coupel of things i just thought of that could help:
one thing you can do is go to slow-mode and L cancel for a bit so you see what it looks like more clearly
the other thing, which would be practical, is to practice doing a hop, fair on the way down, l cancel, forward smash. If you l-cancel correctly, the f-smash should come out pretty quickly and wack them - but if you didn't Lcancel correctly then you're sitting there hitting your c-stick and there's a decent delay before the smash comes out
like thor said, and i learned that way too, is to save your arial to the last second and throw it out before hitting L. Then learning teh l-cancels of different timings (using airials earlier in your jump, or with a full hop) is just an experience/feel thing unfortunately. You can definitely practice it though
And i also had PM to learn on (PM gives an ice white flash that indicats you l-cancelled correctly)
Coupel of things i just thought of that could help:
one thing you can do is go to slow-mode and L cancel for a bit so you see what it looks like more clearly
the other thing, which would be practical, is to practice doing a hop, fair on the way down, l cancel, forward smash. If you l-cancel correctly, the f-smash should come out pretty quickly and wack them - but if you didn't Lcancel correctly then you're sitting there hitting your c-stick and there's a decent delay before the smash comes out
like thor said, and i learned that way too, is to save your arial to the last second and throw it out before hitting L. Then learning teh l-cancels of different timings (using airials earlier in your jump, or with a full hop) is just an experience/feel thing unfortunately. You can definitely practice it though
Life
Smash Hero
The easiest way to learn to l-cancel is with something like Link's dair or Bowser's... anything... where the animation is normally so slow it's very obvious when you get the cancel. Marth's dair works well for this purpose, and AFAIK short hop dair doesn't autocancel so literally all you have to worry about is hitting a shoulder button.
Jackson
Smash Lord
Is L-cancelling still important when your character isn't performing an aerial? As in do you need to do it when landing every single time or just when you land while doing an aerial?
You only need to l-cancel when you are going to hit the ground with an aerial attack. In fact, that is the only time you can l-cancel.
Something you can do to practice is setting a bowser to lvl1 (or plugging in a second controller), turning handicap on, and just doing different aerials on him. when I first learned how to do it, I would do an aerial then hold down and press a. If marth does a down-tilt immediately after, then it worked. if it feels a bit delayed, then your timing is off. Also, smashing the control stick in a direction after you land works, because if you dash, then you hit it, if not, then you missed your l-cancel.
Something you can do to practice is setting a bowser to lvl1 (or plugging in a second controller), turning handicap on, and just doing different aerials on him. when I first learned how to do it, I would do an aerial then hold down and press a. If marth does a down-tilt immediately after, then it worked. if it feels a bit delayed, then your timing is off. Also, smashing the control stick in a direction after you land works, because if you dash, then you hit it, if not, then you missed your l-cancel.
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I think you're having the same problem I was having. You set a pattern in your head (not necessarily this, but like sh then ff and use move/l-cancel at the same time) but in reality, the game doesn't just work like that. You have to be aware of the speed and delays that will change the timing for when you hit the ground. For example hitting someone with a fair will slightly delay when you hit the ground, while hitting nothing will not. In this case, you would want to delay your l-cancel a little bit, right? Same principle goes for FFing and not FFing. Also, keep in mind that Moves like fair and nair can finish before you hit the ground, which means if you do them early enough (situational of course) they do not require an l-cancel.
Cloud7z
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Oh my god I did not know that :o I was playing with a flash on L Cancel mod so I just assumed that I always missed the L Cancel on a full hop.
So you're saying if I full hop and use an aerial, I will not get the landing lag from the aerial?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
What I'm saying is that some moves are fast enough to be done completely in the air. For example, it is possible to short hop double fair if you do it fast enough. Looking at this technique, in order to get the second one off, the first one most be complete (we won't go into IASA). Therefore you will land normally, seeing as you are not in the middle of a move. To illustrate this, full hop fair, and then come down. there will only be the landing lag, since the move has been completed, right? Same principle. Some moves, like fair and nair are fast enough to do this, while others have too much lag time aka dair.
Cloud7z
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That's what I meant, but thanks a ton for the confirmation. Wow I spent so long getting stressed over that
