kizzu's lead-in for sh ken combo

[hilaxial]

I started doing the ken combo the way i saw in a lot of kizzu's videos, where he fthrows, sh fair, then dj dair. problem is, this only works on the floatier characters, like marth, peach, samus, etc. Faster fallers like falcon, link, and space animals don't pop up enough to hit with the sh fair. Any help? or other good ideas to lead into ken combo?

 

[technomancer]

Dash attack and Utilt are gonna be your best launchers for the Ken combo vs. Spacies, but both are a bit risky. Best to just smash them off.

Vs. middleweights, generally just landing a tippered fair at the right percents will pop them up enough to Ken combo.

 

[shadydentist]

Ken combo doesn't work on space animals until a fairly high percent. Instead, you should try chaingrabbing, uthrow to utilt, or uthrow to fsmash in that order.

 

[FrostByte]

You actually just need to fastfall to catch up with them. Also best to hit them with a tipp'd Fair for the setup.

 

[hilaxial]

cool, thanks. I'll try it out.

 

[metroid1117]

Unless you tip them at 90%-ish, it's unlikely that you're going to be able to get a Ken combo off of them. At the edge, you can try FAir -> sweetspotted UAir in the same short-hop -> UTilt -> DAir.

Another cool way to spike someone is at the edge at middle to high %'s, depending on the weight of your opponent. If they're close to the edge and you're on it, then you can edgehop UAir and try the following it with UTilt -> DAir if they get sent over your head, or just follow up with DAir right after the UAir.

 

[Gian]

well at 40%'s i find easy to SHFFL nair to a JC grab forward throw doble fair, doble fair will pop them enough to a fair and then dair...................u can skip the SHFFL nair and grab... but ill have to be at 50%'s

 

[Dark Sonic]

Unless you tip them at 90%-ish, it's unlikely that you're going to be able to get a Ken combo off of them

Actually if you fast fall after the FAir but before the DJ you can get them at around 50-60%.

Does anyone know what percentages a BAir>DAir combo will work on Shiek. (I'm gonna call that the Kizzu combo because he's the one I see using it the most.) It may depend a lot on my opponets DI, but it's always nice to have another tecnique in your arsenal.

 

[Razgriz]

Does anyone know what percentages a BAir>DAir combo will work on Shiek. (I'm gonna call that the Kizzu combo because he's the one I see using it the most.) It may depend a lot on my opponets DI, but it's always nice to have another tecnique in your arsenal.

Ooh a combo vs Sheik? Do tell. Is it SHFL'd BAir to SHFL'd DAir, or rising BAir to DAir?

 

[Dark Sonic]

Rising Bair > DJ >Dair. I've seen Kizzu do it quite a few times in every combo vid and I've done it myself a few times. At low percents you have to sweetspot the BAir and DI towards them the entire time to catch them. At high percent you have to not sweetspot the Bair which might cause them to be able to DJ out of it but I'm not sure because no one has successfully jumped out of mine. I've missed it during a few of my attemps because of my opponent DIing away from the stage though.

 

[Velox]

DI away is fun. All the cool kids are doing it.