Crabman
Smash Apprentice
Anyone got any advice for the king dedede match up, I know that side b and even the spring can reflect his gordos, any other general advice?
-
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
King DeDeDe match up
- Thread starter Crabman
- Start date
That can work at higher percents, but you have to be careful because if the D3 so much as nairs, you'll die.
Matchup is a lot of hit and run. You want him in the right because his landing options sans nair are terrible vs. Sonic. Gordos are a mystery to me though. Spin sometimes beats it, but also sometimes loses to it. Bair would be easiest to reflect it with, but uair works too. I believe sideB might work, but I haven't had a chance to really test it out. Otherwise, just run underneath it if it's a mid/high bounce, jump over if it's a low one.
Recovery is difficult if there's a gordo walling you from the rest of the stage. Just try getting around it as it bounces.
D3 is fat. Without including rage, unless you land a clean smash or bair near the ledge around 140%, he won't be getting KO'd until about 180 every stock. Don't get frustrated if you can't immediately knock him out. Just keep racking up damage until an unstaled KO move will suffice.
Matchup is a lot of hit and run. You want him in the right because his landing options sans nair are terrible vs. Sonic. Gordos are a mystery to me though. Spin sometimes beats it, but also sometimes loses to it. Bair would be easiest to reflect it with, but uair works too. I believe sideB might work, but I haven't had a chance to really test it out. Otherwise, just run underneath it if it's a mid/high bounce, jump over if it's a low one.
Recovery is difficult if there's a gordo walling you from the rest of the stage. Just try getting around it as it bounces.
D3 is fat. Without including rage, unless you land a clean smash or bair near the ledge around 140%, he won't be getting KO'd until about 180 every stock. Don't get frustrated if you can't immediately knock him out. Just keep racking up damage until an unstaled KO move will suffice.
Phoenix_Dark
Smash Lord
Side b works to reflect gordos, but not when initiating the move from the air. Down b gets beat by Gordo. Sometimes I'll go through the Gordo but won't reflect it with down b. I assume this is when it's fully charged. Homing attack also locks onto and beats/launches gordos back.
Phoenix_Dark
Smash Lord
Did it send it back? Maybe asc sends it back, but I'm pretty sure I've never had grounded sc send it back. Like I said though, sometimes it will act like it's landing hits on the Gordo and travel through it unharmed. But the Gordo continued on it's path as well.Are you sure? I've beaten Gordo with ASC before. At least I think so.
@Jay: bair at higher percents or for stage control. Jump and charge downB then hit with spin > fair/uair/nair for damage and follow ups at lower percents.
Sonic Orochi
Smash Ace
I'd advise against HA because sometimes it trades hits with the Gordo.
Stick with SD for this one. Actually, I think this is one of the very few moments when the new VSDJ2 is actually kinda useful.
Augi Jr.
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Oct 14, 2014
- Messages
- 48
Gordos: Others have already discussed getting past gordos so refer to their posts. However, since you are the fastest thing alive, you should be able to get in his face easily after dodging/reflecting the first gordo.
Approach (after gordo): Watch for Shield punishing. DDD's, at least good ones, use their shield very effectively to block, grab and punish you everytime you get close; so watch for this, grab him before he grabs you.
The Fight: You'll want to get inside his hammers range as fast as you can so he has a harder time spacing his attacks against you. Be quick (like it's hard) and rack up the damage.
The Kill: Throws will be your safest option for trying to initiate (or set up) a kill; particularly back throw. It's rather difficult to Edge Guard DDD as his UpB lets him recover from an insane distance below the stage so to dodge your Bair edge guard attempt all he has to do is sink or puff himself away from you (he can afford to). Although you could possibly, (if you're really confident) Dair him before he uses his UpB then cancel and spring back to the stage; he's a large target and moves slowly in the air, so theres a good chance you can hit him from above and get back safely (just make sure you only use one jump to get over him so you can cancel that Dair). Alot of DDD's like to get to the stage wall or underslope before they UpB, so if you can, try and bair them against the wall.
Get in his face while he's off the stage. He can't exactly counter-attack without getting himself killed cause his moves have so much delay.
Approach (after gordo): Watch for Shield punishing. DDD's, at least good ones, use their shield very effectively to block, grab and punish you everytime you get close; so watch for this, grab him before he grabs you.
The Fight: You'll want to get inside his hammers range as fast as you can so he has a harder time spacing his attacks against you. Be quick (like it's hard) and rack up the damage.
The Kill: Throws will be your safest option for trying to initiate (or set up) a kill; particularly back throw. It's rather difficult to Edge Guard DDD as his UpB lets him recover from an insane distance below the stage so to dodge your Bair edge guard attempt all he has to do is sink or puff himself away from you (he can afford to). Although you could possibly, (if you're really confident) Dair him before he uses his UpB then cancel and spring back to the stage; he's a large target and moves slowly in the air, so theres a good chance you can hit him from above and get back safely (just make sure you only use one jump to get over him so you can cancel that Dair). Alot of DDD's like to get to the stage wall or underslope before they UpB, so if you can, try and bair them against the wall.
Get in his face while he's off the stage. He can't exactly counter-attack without getting himself killed cause his moves have so much delay.
