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I will be getting there eventually, I will buy DKC2 and 3 on the Wii U VC while it's not on the Switch eShop. I will probably watch the final boss of DK64, since I did not really like the collectable gameplay design of DK64.
I get what you're saying but I also have to kinda disagree with this statement. I agree with your statement that fighting Bowser and Ganon over and over is tiring BUT it's different with the DK series. We went 11 years without a new DK game. Where as Mario and Zelda gets a new game every 1-2 years. So yeah of course we'd get sick of Bowser and Ganon (also Zelda changes up the villain more than we give the series credit for). King K. Rool was different he appeared as the main villain in 4 main games than was gone for years until he returned in King of Swing and Jungle Climber two spin-off games no one really cares about or remembers all that well. So having K.Rool and the Kremlings returning in Returns wouldn't have felt stale because like I said we hadn't had a main home console DK game in 11 years...
After the Rare buyout, it was pretty clear Nintendo didn't know what to do with the DK franchise and its characters. Paon and Namco developed some spinoffs and Nintendo EAD was put in charge of Jungle Beat. The game's director, Yoshiaki Koizumi had this to say:
Don't worry I remember that quote from Metroid Prime: Federation Force producer Kensuke Tanabe himself. It was during an E3 interview in 2010 when a game journalist asked him about why no K.Rool and the look on his face while giving that condescending answer I will never forget I will search on youtube to see if that interview still exists somewhere.
Found it: It's at the 5:53 mark
Thanks! I added it the the original post.
Yeah, I don't think Miyamoto et. al hate the Kremlings or the Rare characters and want to scrub them from history or anything like that. They're just indifferent. Hate to say it, but even Sakurai and his team have paid more love to K. Rool and the Kremlings than anybody else at Nintendo in the last decade.
My gripe hasn't been that they tried making new enemies, Nintendo has always been criticized for recycling too much of the same and it was a decent idea to change that up (Albeit to be honest the Kremlings and King K. Rool were some of the most diverse selection of enemies Nintendo had, constantly changing in a lot of their appearances), I just wish they wouldn't completely abandon them and especially King K. Rool,
This is why I'm hoping that the ballot changed things... clearly the fans are talking and we keep bringing up the Kremlings. Funny thing is the Kremlings have been the subject of conversation since the first Returns game... if Nintendo can't see that they're a bigger deal than they thought then it's a lost cause.
I remember that quote! I've been trying to find the source for it for a long time now (thankfully it was posted above), but I did remember reading about it on GameTrailers (when that website was still a thing). I was so infuriated when I read about it though. I really wish Miyamoto had just let Retro bring back the Kremlings but allowed to them add their own flair to them. Like, they could have given K. Rool a Tiki look or something. It's such a shame because of that we haven't seen him comeback in recent years. Honestly, we're lucky to have even gotten a K. Rool reference in Odyssey, buts that's mostly because Miyamoto had almost nothing to do with the game.
Problem with this is you gotta consider my entire post on the matter and not just the last paragraph. I'm not saying him being in Returns would make him stale, I'm saying that having K. Rool be the mastermind of Tiki Tong and Frederik would lessen their impact, as they're one-time villains anyway and each game is likely their one and only chance to shine before K. Rool comes back. How well do you think Zant was liked before he was revealed to be a pawn? The tikis and the snowmads would have their thunder stolen just like Zant and Ghirahim did if K. Rool's responsible for their villainy. They'd likely be KAOS 2.0 and 3.0. Having K. Rool be the driving force makes him stronger as a villain but lessens the variety of the series as a whole.
It's fine if you hate the Tribe. Most fans do; they're possessed wooden sculptures that have little going for them besides the musical instrument, "legit" motives and hypnosis angle, and are pretty whack overall. They also get hate for being the 1st to replace the Kremlings in a DKC game, so do me a favor and consider this: If the Kremlings were in DKCR but then swapped out for the Snowmads in TF, do you think the vikings would be as accepted as they are in this reality? Doubt it; they'd get the same venom that those weak sculptures got when they were revealed, but worse because they're debuting on a failing system (the Wii U) and adding onto that "Should've been Metroid" hatred that overshadowed the game.
I'm glad you picked up my wannabe line, because I was referring to Frederik when I said it. In fact, 4 years ago I left a comment on the old K. Rool thread and gave my take on him. Here's the quote if you don't wanna click the link:
There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a break from the arch-enemy in a series. DK was only playable in 3/5 Country games (and Diddy gets 4/5) but we still consider him the main character. K. Rool's the villain in 3/5 and we still consider him the main antagonist. If you look at the trend of Retro's Country games they've been slowly bringing back the fan-favorites. K. Rool, Funky and Dixie were absent in Returns but we got the 2 latter Kongs in Tropical Freeze. With the massive and consistent fan outcry for the Kroc, the Ballot and the references in Odyssey, it'd be a shock to not see K. Rool in the next big DK game. We don't have to let our fears of never seeing him again get the better of us and make us wish K. Rool was there all along behind the scenes. There's nothing wrong with taking a break from K. Rool, because as all this stuff is lining up for him, he's definitely coming back. So let's not lessen the other villains' to justify him.
It definitely has to due with the fact that Sakurai likes to stay close to a characters original design as possible. That is, in my opinion, a great thing. That way if K. Rool does get into Smash Bros than he'll be based off his original Rare design. Hopefully, they keep it that way if they bring him back in a new DKC game.
I think we will get Rare inspired looks for all of them.A lot of attention has been given to what the Zelda character designs would look like ever since we saw BOTW Link, since the design changes are so drastic in between games. But this is kind of an open question for the DK series, as well, though to a lesser degree. The DKC characters have "Nintendo/Paon" designs as well as Rare era designs. What design do you guys think they would go for if Dixie is added?
After all, Dixie in Tropical Freeze, her most recent major appearance, is sporting her Nintendo look. She lacks kneepads, doesn't have her nails painted, her head is more "round" or squished, her beret seems smaller, her snout seems different, her fur is lighter.
Compare to Rare design.
I personally would want a composite design that leans toward the Rare design overall, keeps her face, beret, and kneepads from that model. But I would carry over the lighter fur, the lack of colored nails, and reduced eye make up.
If they go for the Nintendo model, it might actually look a bit odd since Smash seems to base DK and Diddy's designs on their old Rare look. If K. Rool is added, I also imagine he'd be sporting the Rare look, the look he is best remembered by and what the Mii costume is based on. So I kind of think we won't be seeing Dixie look like her Tropical Freeze incarnation. I think she is most likely to match the others. Maybe I'm wrong.
What do you guys think?
I think their overall design will be Rare inspired, but the "style" will be more "Nintendo".
This pretty much sums up the video along with the last few years of DKC without K. Rool and the Kremlings.
From what little I know of the situation, the whole situation surrounding the Donkey Kong series after Rare was purchased by Microsoft was a lot of 'well now what?' The situation from what I recall that Nintendo and Rare's relations had already been going poorly even before the buyout happened. As such I would not be surprised if there was a little bit of rough edges surrounding the whole thing with those that have influence at Nintendo.
BKupa666
That is one of the most insightful posts I have read in Smashboards in my entire life, after reading the post twice. I was not there when Brawl speculation was alive and kicking, but your research on the fan reception transition from Brawl to Smash 4 was absolutely helpful.
They both should really be playable. The roster will never feel complete without them.
I agree. I want them both and the fact that they still aren't in it is sad but...
My feelings exactly, I like Ridley he's my favorite Metroid villain but I love King K. Rool far more.
That's expected to happen when Sakurai goes out of his way to state that he basically doesn't want Ridley in Smash (or at the very least doesn't see him as playable).
